Raffaela oddities

[Dann Corbit]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Dann Corbit at 07 June 2000 20:30:19:
I ran a bunch of Raffaela games last night and noticed several strange effects.
1. Raffaela always moves quickly on long time control games.
2. Raffaela does something strange with the white games -- only playing as black
3. One or both programs (Raffaela/Storm) is not reporting to Winboard correctly, because even though there is a checkmate, the opponent loses on time!
Do others see these same effects? Is there a cure?
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DCORBIT"]
[Date "2000.06.07"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Storm"]
[Black "Raffaela"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "3600"]
1. e4 d5 2. e5 e6 3. Nf3 Nd7 4. d4 Bb4+ 5. Bd2 Bxd2+ 6. Nbxd2 Ne7 7. Bd3 h6
8. Nb3 b6 9. O-O Bb7 10. c3 Nf5 11. Bxf5 exf5 12. Qc2 Ba6 13. Rfe1 g6 14.
h4 Qe7 15. h5 O-O 16. hxg6 fxg6 17. Rac1 Bc4 18. e6 Nf6 19. Nbd2 Bb5 20. c4
dxc4 21. a4 Ba6 22. Ne5 Kg7 23. Nexc4 c5 24. dxc5 bxc5 25. Na5 Rac8 26.
Ndb3 c4 27. Nd4 Nd5 28. Nac6 Qb7 29. Re5 Ne7 30. Nxe7 Qxe7 31. Ra5 Qd6 32.
Rd1 Qb6 33. Rd5 Kf6 34. Qc3 Kg5 35. Rd6 Qb7 36. Qa5 Qxb2 37. e7 Rfe8 38.
Qxa6 Kh5 39. Rxg6 Rxe7 40. Rxh6+ Kg4 41. Qg6+ Kf4 42. Qxf5#
{White wins on time} 1-0
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DCORBIT"]
[Date "2000.06.07"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Storm"]
[Black "Raffaela"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "3600"]
1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qe5+ 4. Be2 Bg4 5. d4 Bxe2 6. Ngxe2 Qf5 7. O-O
Nc6 8. d5 O-O-O 9. Bd2 Ne5 10. Nd4 Qg6 11. Rb1 Nc4 12. Bf4 e5 13. dxe6 fxe6
14. Ncb5 Bc5 15. Qe2 Bxd4 16. Qxc4 Bb6 17. Bxc7 Kd7 18. Rbd1+ Ke7 19. Rxd8
e5 20. Qb4+ Bc5 21. Qxc5+ Ke6 22. Qd6+ Kf5 23. Qxe5+ Kg4 24. Rd4+ Qe4 25.
Rxe4#
{White wins on time} 1-0
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DCORBIT"]
[Date "2000.06.07"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Storm"]
[Black "Raffaela"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "3600"]
1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qe5+ 4. Be2 Bg4 5. d4 Bxe2 6. Ngxe2 Qf5 7. O-O
Nc6 8. d5 O-O-O 9. Bd2 Ne5 10. Nd4 Qg6 11. Ndb5 Nc4 12. Nxa7+ Kb8 13. Nab5
Nxd2 14. Qxd2 e5 15. Qe3 Qa6 16. Qxe5 Qb6 17. a4 f6 18. Qe6 Qxe6 19. dxe6
c6 20. Rad1 Rxd1 21. Rxd1 Be7 22. Nd6 h5 23. Nf7 Rh7 24. Rd7 Kc8 25. Ne4 h4
26. Nfd6+ Kb8 27. Rxb7+ Ka8 28. Rc7 Rh5 29. Rc8+ Ka7 30. Rxg8 Bxd6 31.
Rxg7+ Be7 32. Rxe7+ Kb6 33. Nxf6 Kc5 34. Nxh5 Kd6 35. Rg7 Kxe6 36. a5 Ke5
37. a6 Ke4 38. a7 Kd4 39. Rg5 Kc4 40. a8=Q Kb4 41. Qa5+ Kc4 42. Qa4#
{White wins on time} 1-0
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DCORBIT"]
[Date "2000.06.07"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Storm"]
[Black "Raffaela"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "3600"]
1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qe5+ 4. Be2 Bg4 5. d4 Bxe2 6. Ngxe2 Qf5 7. O-O
Nc6 8. d5 O-O-O 9. Bd2 Ne5 10. Nd4 Qg6 11. Ndb5 Nc4 12. Nxa7+ Kb8 13. Nab5
Nxd2 14. Qxd2 e5 15. Qe3 Qa6 16. Qxe5 Qb6 17. a4 f6 18. Qe6 Qxe6 19. dxe6
c6 20. Rad1 Rxd1 21. Rxd1 Be7 22. Nd6 h5 23. Nf7 Rh7 24. Rd7 Kc8 25. Ne4 h4
26. Ned6+ Kb8 27. Rxb7+ Ka8 28. Rc7 Rh5 29. Rc8+ Ka7 30. Rxg8 Bxd6 31. Nxd6
Re5 32. Rxg7+ Ka8 33. Kf1 Rxe6 34. Rd7 Re5 35. Rf7 Rd5 36. Rf8+ Ka7 37.
Rxf6 Rd2 38. Nc4 Rd1+ 39. Ke2 Ra1 40. a5 Rg1 41. Kf3 Rc1 42. c3 c5 43. Rc6
Rh1 44. h3 Re1 45. Rxc5 Re8 46. b4 Rf8+ 47. Ke2 Re8+ 48. Ne3 Kb8 49. Rh5
Re4 50. f3 Re6 51. Rxh4 Rc6 52. c4 Re6 53. g4 Re5 54. Rh7 Re6 55. b5 Re5
56. a6 Re6 57. Kf2 Re5 58. Nd5 Rxd5 59. cxd5 Kc8 60. a7 Kd8 61. a8=Q#
1-0


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[Lyapko George]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Lyapko George at 08 June 2000 08:57:56:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Raffaela oddities geschrieben von: / posted by: Dann Corbit at 07 June 2000 20:30:19:

I ran a bunch of Raffaela games last night and noticed several strange effects.
1. Raffaela always moves quickly on long time control games.
2. Raffaela does something strange with the white games -- only playing as black
3. One or both programs (Raffaela/Storm) is not reporting to Winboard correctly, because even though there is a checkmate, the opponent loses on time!
Do others see these same effects? Is there a cure?

1.There are some engines which badly play under longer time controls(not only Raffaela).Examples: TSCP (even compiled by you), Mfchess, etc.
With Raffaela it is easy to understand: it plays fixed depth (by default 6, I think). With TSCP there is a bug in a source code: when Winboard sends "post" command, TSCP interprete it like "st 0", and always plays 1 sec per move...
2.After reinstalling Windows'98 I got the same problem: Raffaela couldn't play with white, so all games by Raffaela in the last 3 or 4 rounds of my blitz tournament are with black...
3.Look at the winboard.debug, after got mated, Storm sends something like this
1082140

[Gianluigi Masciulli]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Gianluigi Masciulli at 08 June 2000 10:01:24:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Raffaela oddities geschrieben von: / posted by: Dann Corbit at 07 June 2000 20:30:19:

I ran a bunch of Raffaela games last night and noticed several strange effects.
1. Raffaela always moves quickly on long time control games.
2. Raffaela does something strange with the white games -- only playing as black
3. One or both programs (Raffaela/Storm) is not reporting to Winboard correctly, because even though there is a checkmate, the opponent loses on time!
Do others see these same effects? Is there a cure?

yes as saib by george raffaella as a fix depth
the default is 6 , you can change it , if you want with the slider under the title bar (the one with the label "livello")
Stefano Gemma (the author) promised that he will manage the "winboard time"
as soon as possible ... I'm waiting this too to introduce the program
on the italian winboard elo (the "Gelo").
I will say about this to stefano on the italian g6 forum so I hope He will clarify these point here.
ciao
glm

[WYx]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: WYx at 08 June 2000 15:52:12:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: Raffaela oddities geschrieben von: / posted by: Gianluigi Masciulli at 08 June 2000 10:01:24:

[Gianluigi Masciulli]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Gianluigi Masciulli at 08 June 2000 18:34:39:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: promotion pawn ??? (no text) geschrieben von: / posted by: WYx at 08 June 2000 15:52:12:
I had no problem with raffaella promotions.
did you?

[Frank Quisinsky]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Frank Quisinsky at 08 June 2000 21:54:33:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: promotion pawn ??? geschrieben von: / posted by: Gianluigi Masciulli at 08 June 2000 18:34:39:

I had no problem with raffaella promotions.
did you?

BTW:
Luigi,
have you now more information about the first Italian-ch !
I hope in the year 2000 !
Kind regards
Frank

[Lyapko George]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Lyapko George at 09 June 2000 07:59:46:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: promotion pawn ??? geschrieben von: / posted by: Gianluigi Masciulli at 08 June 2000 18:34:39:

I had no problem with raffaella promotions.
did you?

There is no promotion problems under Winboard. Problems are when you play against Raffaela with its own interface and try to move your piece to 8th rank (Raffaela leave it as pawn!)
Best regards,
George

[Stefano Gemma]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Stefano Gemma at 09 June 2000 08:59:25:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Raffaela oddities geschrieben von: / posted by: Dann Corbit at 07 June 2000 20:30:19:
Hi, i'm the programmer of Raffaela.

I ran a bunch of Raffaela games last night and noticed several strange effects.
1. Raffaela always moves quickly on long time control games.
2. Raffaela does something strange with the white games -- only playing as black
3. One or both programs (Raffaela/Storm) is not reporting to Winboard correctly, because even though there is a checkmate, the opponent loses on time!
Do others see these same effects? Is there a cure?

Raffaela doesnt have a time control. Winboard send the time control command to Raffaela but it will be ignored. For now, you can only set the ply level of depth. If you want N seconds per move, just try several level and choose the one that, from the starting position, will take about the time you need (or a little less).
This is a bug, i will correct as soon as possible.
Maybe is another Raffaela bug ;-(
The only cure is to give me a little time to work on my program, because i am very busy at this moment ((((
Ciao!!!

[Stefano Gemma]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Stefano Gemma at 09 June 2000 09:09:14:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: promotion pawn ??? geschrieben von: / posted by: Lyapko George at 09 June 2000 07:59:46:

I had no problem with raffaella promotions.
did you?

There is no promotion problems under Winboard. Problems are when you play against Raffaela with its own interface and try to move your piece to 8th rank (Raffaela leave it as pawn!)

Because Raffaela is just like Peter Pan... she won't grow )))
This is not a bug, but just a thing that i have not implemented yet. It is reported on my web site (www.linformatica.com). I'm in zeitnot with my work, so i have paused the development of Raffaela. To avoid this problem, you can do one of the following thing:
a) when you have to promote, tell Raffaela to move, by pressing the button with the right arrow: Raffaela will promote for you... then press the button again and she will move;
b)open the tab "Server DDE" and write the move near the button "Mossa" (d7d8Q) and then press that button
Ciao!!!

[Gianluigi Masciulli]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Gianluigi Masciulli at 09 June 2000 09:28:47:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: promotion pawn ??? geschrieben von: / posted by: Frank Quisinsky at 08 June 2000 21:54:33:

I had no problem with raffaella promotions.
did you?

BTW:
Luigi,
have you now more information about the first Italian-ch !
I hope in the year 2000 !

I WANT it in this year
the proposed date is the first week end of august
The main problem is this:
most of italian programmer want a "uniform platform" event
and is not so easy to arrange it.
We need a place with at least 3 uniform pc, and i cant find any.
I hope that if we understand that this "uniform" event is not possible
the g6 (the italian programmer group) will decide to do everybody with his PC.
ciao
gianluigi