Last request for testers for a common tournament :-)

[Heinz van Kempen]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 19 July 2004 10:05:08:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Last request for testers for a common tournament geschrieben von:/posted by: Pedro Eckmann at 18. July 2004 17:04:

Hi ,
as you can already read in those interesting discussions to the threads "just a try" and "more testers welcome" we are planning two very big tournaments for amateur engines with more time, one of them including all the strongest and fast developping engines.
The more testers participate, tha more games are played, the more interesting this tournament will be over the time. So here is your opportunity to participate in a unique common event concerning amateurs.
Any help is appreciated. Tomorrow there will be the votes, where all testers decide participants, rules, etc.. All who contribute will be able to post their own results individually, on the other hand all results also go to an overall crosstable.
There were a lot of new releases over the past weeks, a lot of engines improved tremendously and this will also be tested here.
For the middle class and weaker tournament there are also testers needed. Authore who test will have their engines included, but their respective engine will be tested by others for neutrality.
Hoping for more assistance.
Heinz

I would be glad to help for such a noble cause. This is what I got:
Hardware: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz
Betriebssystem: Microsoft Windows XP Build 2600 Service Pack 1
Let me know if I can contribute.
Best Regards
Pedro

Hello Pedro,
thanks a lot for your help. I think we have already established a nice contact. Will send you later this day all the votes that are already done by the others, if you want to see who will probably be the first 13 or 15 participants for the basic tournament. Normally all mails go to all others, only because you came later, you missed some interesting things and will be able to read all soon. There seems to be a tendency to a relative high number of participants given our common hardware power.
Best Regards
Heinz

[Heinz van Kempen]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Heinz van Kempen at 19 July 2004 10:10:18:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Last request for testers for a common tournament geschrieben von:/posted by: Brian Richardson at 18. July 2004 23:21:

Hi ,
as you can already read in those interesting discussions to the threads "just a try" and "more testers welcome" we are planning two very big tournaments for amateur engines with more time, one of them including all the strongest and fast developping engines.
The more testers participate, tha more games are played, the more interesting this tournament will be over the time. So here is your opportunity to participate in a unique common event concerning amateurs.
Any help is appreciated. Tomorrow there will be the votes, where all testers decide participants, rules, etc.. All who contribute will be able to post their own results individually, on the other hand all results also go to an overall crosstable.

Here is a small test I did with Crafty dealing with the Learn off vs on. I ran a 5/2 match Crafty 19.15 vs Riffian 1.0.5 using the Nunn I & II openings and mirroring them so both engines played each opening as White & Black. As you can see there is a 65 point difference in strength. Since there were no books used in this match this represents the strength difference of position learning only.

I am surprised to read it.
I assumed that position learning is only relevant after you get the same position that you got in previous game with position learning on so position learning can help only if Crafty has previous experience with position learning of the same position and in the nunn match crafty can have previous experience only in case that it played the same position in the past.
If I understand correctly in your experiment it played only one nunn match with positional learning on so based on my understanding positional learning could not help.
Uri

I have also been experimenting with Nunn type matches, and usually each starting position is played as both white and black, and I have found that learning is a significant factor. It should be turned off for testing, IMHO.
Brian

Hello Brian,
would you think the same way if already 50% or more of the participants in a tournament would have implemented book learning and position learning by doing the programmers a lot of work, they could have also used for other things to improve? Maybe we will have that in the future, all capable of learning, what could be a fine thing to improve chess skills.
Best Regards
Heinz