How do I Tune Black's Openings or set its Weights in SCID?

[K Inuen]

In SCID, it's quite easy to tune or set the opening weights for White for bin books. Can these be done for Black's openings? I don't see any option to tune or set the opening weights for Black's openings.
For example, I don't see e5, d5, Nf6, Nb6 or any reversed openings for Black in SCID's book tuning, under Tool. Why is everything tailored for White only, or I'm I missing something?

If not, does anyone know how I can get in touch with authors of the SCID or SCID vs PC GUIs, so I can suggest this option for tuning and setting opening-weights for Black openings to them? Thanks for any suggestions.

[matematiko]

I have no problems whatsoever changing weights or adding new moves for both sides.

Be sure you are using the latest version.

Regards,

[Denis P. Mendoza]

In SCID, it's quite easy to tune or set the opening weights for White for bin books. Can these be done for Black's openings? I don't see any option to tune or set the opening weights for Black's openings.
For example, I don't see e5, d5, Nf6, Nb6 or any reversed openings for Black in SCID's book tuning, under Tool. Why is everything tailored for White only, or I'm I missing something?

If not, does anyone know how I can get in touch with authors of the SCID or SCID vs PC GUIs, so I can suggest this option for tuning and setting opening-weights for Black openings to them? Thanks for any suggestions.

You are right! The tuning option is just for White (the first to move) - the basis for the openings. I had also thought of that before.
The only option I did was make an opening book for black and tune it like normal.

If Pascal George could do such a thing well and good! Contact him here scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net !


Denis

[K Inuen]

In SCID, it's quite easy to tune or set the opening weights for White for bin books. Can these be done for Black's openings? I don't see any option to tune or set the opening weights for Black's openings.
For example, I don't see e5, d5, Nf6, Nb6 or any reversed openings for Black in SCID's book tuning, under Tool. Why is everything tailored for White only, or I'm I missing something?

If not, does anyone know how I can get in touch with authors of the SCID or SCID vs PC GUIs, so I can suggest this option for tuning and setting opening-weights for Black openings to them? Thanks for any suggestions.

You are right! The tuning option is just for White (the first to move) - the basis for the openings. I had also thought of that before.
The only option I did was make an opening book for black and tune it like normal.

If Pascal George could do such a thing well and good! Contact him here scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net !


Denis

Thanks for noticing and understanding the issues, Denis Mendoza. I initially thought I failed to understand how to set opening moves & weight exclusively for Black but it's good others observed this problem for Black's opening moves too.

In addition, the puzzling thing observed after making a bin book for Black-only and then put it into SCID to "add moves" for Black's Opening is, I still see the moves for only White's side to be added! Like; e4, d4, Nf3, c4 etc.

Not to criticize SCID's work but I feel something's definitely wrong here if the initial openings for Black is not allowed. Thanks for the link to contact the author of SCID. I'll definitely contact him.


Best,
K Inuen.

[matematiko]

If you make a book just for blacks, and you are in the tool Book Tuning, you can add moves for whites if you want then double click on that move you just added. If you do not wish to add moves to whites, then just drag and drop the white piece you want to move: e2 to e4 for example, then you will be able to tune or add moves to blacks and so on..

Hope this helps.

Regards,

[Denis P. Mendoza]

In addition, the puzzling thing observed after making a bin book for Black-only and then put it into SCID to "add moves" for Black's Opening is, I still see the moves for only White's side to be added! Like; e4, d4, Nf3, c4 etc.

It's theoretically correct to see that - e4, d4, Nf3, etc. It's based on the standard chess opening. You only made a book from game collections at an advantage for black - higher weights for black openings.

I'm very sorry to miss your first query !

Can these be done for Black's openings?

Yes, I already mentioned it here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=51747
under 'Book Window/Book Tuning' in SCID.

As matematiko said, you just have to manually do it. I'm not sure about the older versions but using SCID 4.3 works fine - editing and adding moves and weights for white and black.

Denis

[K Inuen]

In addition, the puzzling thing observed after making a bin book for Black-only and then put it into SCID to "add moves" for Black's Opening is, I still see the moves for only White's side to be added! Like; e4, d4, Nf3, c4 etc.

[quote=Denis P. Mendoza]It's theoretically correct to see that - e4, d4, Nf3, etc. It's based on the standard chess opening. You only made a book from game collections at an advantage for black - higher weights for black openings.

Yes I know all these
My only concern was that the opening moves for black could not be tuned based on the reason that there was no way to view & adjust Black's openings or manually appoint opening moves for Black. But I've found a way to manually appoint opening moves and set opening weights as well for Black. Though derived from matematiko's suggestion, the method used to initialize opening moves for Black is quite different. Thanks matematiko.

[quote=Denis P. Mendoza]I'm very sorry to miss your first query ![/quote]
No worries and thanks

[quote=Denis P. Mendoza]Yes, I already mentioned it here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=51747
under 'Book Window/Book Tuning' in SCID.

As matematiko said, you just have to manually do it. I'm not sure about the older versions but using SCID 4.3 works fine - editing and adding moves and weights for white and black.[/quote]

Yes, I used the latest version of SCID and SCID vs PC. Thank you both; matematiko and Denis for the inputs.

Regards
K

[matematiko]

Any time bud