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I have edited all messages and copied them together in one . Unfortunately the discussion went out of hand immediatly and ended in a "I post somewhere else" message.

I've got a severe cold and I'm not in the mood to be to balancing. If someone doesn't like this forum, Winboard engines, the Winboard protocol, me in person, phpBB, my domain name or whatever there is absolutely no reason to post here. If someone doesn't post here I notice that. There is absolutely no reason to inform me about that.

In addition I admit I sometimes appreciate the writing style of the originating poster. What I will not miss is his arrogant attitude.

Volker



.
Hi!

In the last weeks and months I played around with a lot of new amateur releases.
Now my hard disk is full of blunder...

I don't like winboard engines (because I'm working with the Multi-PV-Modus).

But these "winboard forum" here is the "mother of the freebies".

So I publish here the whole stuff.
Enjoy!

Regards: Walter

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Crafty Blunder Nr.01 (Bd3?)
[diag]6k1/2rbqpbp/1r1pp1p1/8/ppn1PN2/P1P1PNP1/1P2Q2P/1B1R1RK1 w - - 0 38[/diag]
[Event "Crafty1918-WildCat4, Krupikov 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Crafty Blunder Nr.01"]
[Black "Taktik"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "6k1/2rbqpbp/1r1pp1p1/8/ppn1PN2/P1P1PNP1/1P2Q2P/1B1R1RK1 w - - 0 38"]
[PlyCount "6"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

38. Bd3 $2 Nxb2 (38... bxa3 $1) 39. Qxb2 Rxc3 40. Qd2 (40. Nd4 Rxa3 $19) 40...
Rxa3 $19 *

Crafty Blunder Nr.02 (Bxc8?)
[diag]1rb1nr1k/Q6p/2pq4/p1Np2P1/5pB1/PP2p2P/2P2P2/3R1RK1 w - - 0 32[/diag]
[Event "Crafty1918-Aristarch45, Krupikov 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Crafty Blunder Nr.02"]
[Black "Taktik"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1rb1nr1k/Q6p/2pq4/p1Np2P1/5pB1/PP2p2P/2P2P2/3R1RK1 w - - 0 32"]
[PlyCount "10"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

32. Bxc8 $2 Rxc8 33. Rd3 (33. Rde1 Rc7 34. Qxa5 Rg7 35. Kh1 Qg6 $19) (33. fxe3
f3 34. Ne4 (34. Rf2 Qg3+ 35. Kf1 Ng7 $19) 34... Qe5 35. Qd4 Qxd4 36. Rxd4 dxe4
$19) 33... Ng7 34. Qxa5 (34. b4 e2 $19) (34. Na4 Qe5 $19) 34... Qe5 35. Qc3
Qxg5+ 36. Kh2 Rf6 $19 *

Crafty Blunder Nr.03 (Rc2?)
[diag]4r1k1/ppR1ppbp/q1b2np1/n2p4/3P3N/4B1PP/PR2PPB1/1Q4K1 w - - 0 24[/diag]
[Event "Crafty1918-DanChessCCT7, Eigenmann 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Crafty Blunder Nr.03"]
[Black "Taktik"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4r1k1/ppR1ppbp/q1b2np1/n2p4/3P3N/4B1PP/PR2PPB1/1Q4K1 w - - 0 24"]
[PlyCount "12"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

24. Rc2 $2 Nc4 25. Qb4 (25. Nf3 Qa5 26. Rxb7 (26. Rxc6 bxc6 $40) (26. Bf4 Nh5
$40) 26... Bxb7 27. Qxb7 Qa4 $40) 25... Bf8 26. Qc3 (26. Bg5 h6 27. Bxf6 exf6
28. Qc3 Bd6 $40) 26... Nxe3 27. Qxe3 (27. Rxc6 Qxc6 28. Qxc6 bxc6 29. fxe3 Rc8
$19) 27... Qb6 28. R7xc6 (28. Qf4 Nh5 29. R7xc6 bxc6 $40) 28... bxc6 29. Nf3 (
29. Qc3 e6 30. Qxc6 (30. e3 Qb1+ $19) 30... Qxd4 $19) 29... e6 $40 *


Crafty Blunder Nr.04 (Qf3?)
[diag]4r3/4rpk1/3p2pp/1pqPb3/2p1P3/2N4Q/1P2RPPP/4R2K w - - 0 29[/diag]
[Event "Crafty1918-ETChess071204, Deville 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Crafty Blunder Nr.04"]
[Black "Verteidigung"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4r3/4rpk1/3p2pp/1pqPb3/2p1P3/2N4Q/1P2RPPP/4R2K w - - 0 29"]
[PlyCount "12"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

29. Qf3 $2 Ra7 30. Rc1 (30. Rb1 Rea8 31. Rg1 (31. Rc1 b4 32. Nb1 (32. Ree1 bxc3
$19) 32... Ra1 $19) 31... b4 32. Nd1 Ra2 $19) 30... Bf6 31. Qg4 (31. Rce1 b4
$19) (31. Nd1 Rae7 32. Kg1 (32. b3 Bg5 33. Rb1 (33. Qc3+ Kh7 $19) 33... f5 $19)
32... Bg5 33. Ra1 (33. Rcc2 Qd4 $19) 33... b4 $19) (31. Qg3 b4 $19) 31... b4
32. Nd1 (32. Nb1 Qd4 33. f3 Ra2 $19) 32... Qd4 33. h3 (33. h4 Qd3 34. Ne3 (34.
Re1 Rc7 $19) 34... h5 $19) 33... Rae7 34. Ne3 (34. e5 Bxe5 35. Rec2 Qxg4 36.
hxg4 Bf6 $19) (34. Qg3 Qd3 35. Qxd3 cxd3 36. Rd2 Rxe4 37. Rxd3 Rd4 $19) 34...
Qxe4 $19 *

Crafty Blunder Nr.05 (Rh7?)
[diag]1b3r2/2pR4/p1N4p/1pP2p2/1P2pp2/Pk6/5PPP/5K2 w - - 0 39[/diag]
[Event "Crafty1918-Zappa1, Eigenmann 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Crafty Blunder Nr.05"]
[Black "Endspiel"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1b3r2/2pR4/p1N4p/1pP2p2/1P2pp2/Pk6/5PPP/5K2 w - - 0 39"]
[PlyCount "10"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

39. Rh7 $2 Kxa3 40. Rxh6 (40. Rd7 a5 41. bxa5 b4 42. Ke2 (42. Rd1 b3 $19) 42...
b3 $19) 40... a5 41. bxa5 (41. Rh3+ Ka4 42. Rc3 axb4 $19) 41... b4 42. Rh3+ Ka4
43. Ke1 Kb5 $19 *

Crafty Blunder Nr.06 (Kb3?)
[diag]4r2k/8/R4R2/7P/4p1P1/2Kp4/P1r5/8 w - - 0 63[/diag]
[Event "Crafty1918-Thinker47a, DeMan 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Crafty Blunder Nr.06"]
[Black "Endspiel"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4r2k/8/R4R2/7P/4p1P1/2Kp4/P1r5/8 w - - 0 63"]
[PlyCount "8"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

63. Kb3 $2 Rb8+ 64. Ka3 (64. Rfb6 Rxb6+ 65. Rxb6 e3 $19) 64... Rc3+ 65. Ka4 Rc7
66. Rh6+ Kg8 $19 *

Fruit Blunder Nr.01 (Bd3?)
[diag]1Qb2rk1/1pp1q1pp/1n3n2/3pp3/8/1NN1P3/1PP1BPPP/5RK1 w - - 0 18[/diag]
[Event "Fruit2-KingOfKings256, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fruit Blunder Nr.01"]
[Black "Verteidigung"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1Qb2rk1/1pp1q1pp/1n3n2/3pp3/8/1NN1P3/1PP1BPPP/5RK1 w - - 0 18"]
[PlyCount "8"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

18. Bd3 $2 Ng4 19. h3 (19. e4 Qh4 $19) (19. Be2 d4 $19) 19... Nh6 20. Qa7 (20.
f3 Nf7 21. Rf2 (21. Qa7 Ng5 $40) 21... Nd6 $40) 20... Qg5 21. Kh1 (21. f4 Qg3
22. Rf3 Qe1+ 23. Rf1 Qxe3+ $19) 21... Qh4 $19 *

Fruit Blunder Nr.02 (Rc2?)
[diag]4r3/4r2k/1p1p2pb/p2P1pn1/2P4q/1P1N4/P5RP/3QNR1K w - - 0 35[/diag]
[Event "Fruit2-List512, Hudetz 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fruit Blunder Nr.02"]
[Black "Verteidigung"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4r3/4r2k/1p1p2pb/p2P1pn1/2P4q/1P1N4/P5RP/3QNR1K w - - 0 35"]
[PlyCount "6"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

35. Rc2 $2 Ne4 36. Nf3 (36. Ng2 Ng3+ 37. Kg1 Qd4+ $19) 36... Qh3 37. Rg1 (37.
Rg2 Nc3 $19) 37... Be3 $19 *

Fruit Blunder Nr.03 (c4?)
[diag]r1b2rk1/ppqnbppp/4p3/3p4/N4N2/P2BP3/1PP2PPP/R2QR1K1 w - - 0 13[/diag]
[Event "Fruit2-Ruffian105, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fruit Blunder Nr.03"]
[Black "Taktik"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1b2rk1/ppqnbppp/4p3/3p4/N4N2/P2BP3/1PP2PPP/R2QR1K1 w - - 0 13"]
[PlyCount "12"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

13. c4 $2 dxc4 14. Qc2 (14. Rc1 Ne5 15. Bc2 (15. Bb1 Bd7 $19) 15... Bd7 16. Qh5
f5 $19) (14. Bc2 b5 15. Nc3 a6 16. Be4 (16. Qg4 Nf6 $19) 16... Bb7 $19) 14...
Ne5 15. Bxh7+ (15. Be4 f5 16. Bf3 Nxf3+ 17. gxf3 Qc6 $19) (15. Be2 Qc6 16. Nc3
b5 17. f3 Bb7 $19) 15... Kh8 16. Be4 (16. Rad1 Bd7 17. Nc3 (17. Be4 f5 $19)
17... g5 $19) (16. Rac1 Bd7 $19) 16... f5 17. Bf3 (17. Bd3 b5 $19) 17... Nxf3+
18. gxf3 Rf6 $19 *

Fruit Blunder Nr.04 (Qa3??)
[diag]r2r4/1b1Pk3/1ppR1pp1/p1q1p1n1/P1P1P1Pp/3Q1P1B/2N3KP/3R4 w - - 0 56[/diag]
[Event "Fruit2-Pharaon32, Canbaz 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fruit Blunder Nr.04"]
[Black "Gegenangriff"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r2r4/1b1Pk3/1ppR1pp1/p1q1p1n1/P1P1P1Pp/3Q1P1B/2N3KP/3R4 w - - 0 56"]
[PlyCount "6"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

56. Qa3 $2 Qxa3 57. Nxa3 Ra7 58. c5 (58. Nb1 Ba6 59. Rxc6 Raxd7 $19) 58... Ba6
$19 *

Fruit Blunder Nr.05 (a5??)
[diag]rn2qrk1/pp6/1bp1p1pn/3p4/P2P1N2/1Q1PPN2/1P3P1P/R4R1K w - - 0 21[/diag]
[Event "Fruit2-Crafty1915, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fruit Blunder Nr.05"]
[Black "Koenigssicherheit"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rn2qrk1/pp6/1bp1p1pn/3p4/P2P1N2/1Q1PPN2/1P3P1P/R4R1K w - - 0 21"]
[PlyCount "10"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

21. a5 $2 Bc7 22. Qxb7 (22. Ne5 Bxe5 23. dxe5 Nd7 24. d4 Rxf4 25. exf4 Nf5 $40)
22... Bxf4 23. Qxa8 (23. exf4 Nd7 $19) 23... Bd6 24. Ne5 (24. Nh4 g5 25. Rg1
Qh5 $19) 24... Bxe5 25. dxe5 (25. Qxa7 Bd6 26. f4 Nf5 $19) 25... Qf7 $19 *

Fruit Blunder Nr.06 (Qxb5??)
[diag]4n1k1/p3P1p1/7p/1q1rN3/2Q2PP1/7P/3N4/4K3 w - - 0 62[/diag]
[Event "Fruit2-Crafty1915, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fruit Blunder Nr.06"]
[Black "Endspiel"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4n1k1/p3P1p1/7p/1q1rN3/2Q2PP1/7P/3N4/4K3 w - - 0 62"]
[PlyCount "8"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

62. Qxb5 $2 Rxb5 63. Ndc4 (63. h4 a5 $19) (63. Ne4 Rb4 $19) (63. Nc6 a5 $19)
63... Rc5 64. Ne3 (64. Kd2 Rc7 $19) (64. h4 Rc7 $19) 64... a5 65. Kd2 (65. N3c4
a4 66. Kd2 Rc7 $19) 65... a4 $19 *

Glaurung Blunder Nr.01 (Qa1?)
[diag]r4k2/4p2p/1p1qP1p1/1p1P1p2/2n5/7N/P4PPP/3Q1RK1 w - - 0 23[/diag]
[Event "Glaurung021-Cerebro13, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Glaurung Blunder Nr.01"]
[Black "Verteidigung"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r4k2/4p2p/1p1qP1p1/1p1P1p2/2n5/7N/P4PPP/3Q1RK1 w - - 0 23"]
[PlyCount "12"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

23. Qa1 $2 Qe5 24. g3 (24. Ng5 Qxa1 25. Rxa1 b4 26. Rb1 Rxa2 $19) 24... Qxa1
25. Rxa1 Kg7 26. Nf4 Ra3 27. Rb1 (27. h4 Nd6 28. Kf1 Ne4 29. d6 (29. Ke1 Kf6
30. Ne2 b4 $19) 29... Nxd6 30. Nd5 Ne4 $19) (27. d6 Nxd6 28. Nd5 Rd3 29. Nxe7
Kf6 30. Nc6 Kxe6 $40) 27... Rxa2 28. Rxb5 g5 $19 *

Glaurung Blunder Nr.02 (Qxe4?)
[diag]rnb2k1r/ppp2pbp/1n2pNp1/q2P2B1/4p3/1BP2Q2/PP3PPP/RN2K2R w KQ - 0 14[/diag]
[Event "Glaurung021-Arasan83, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Glaurung Blunder Nr.02"]
[Black "Taktik"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnb2k1r/ppp2pbp/1n2pNp1/q2P2B1/4p3/1BP2Q2/PP3PPP/RN2K2R w KQ - 0 14"]
[PlyCount "6"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

14. Qxe4 $2 h6 15. dxe6 (15. Bh4 g5 16. Qf3 gxh4 $13) 15... Bxe6 16. Bf4 (16.
Bh4 g5 17. Nh7+ (17. Bg3 Bxf6 $19) (17. Bxe6 Bxf6 $19) 17... Rxh7 18. Bxe6 fxe6
19. Qxh7 gxh4 $19) 16... Bxf6 $19 *

Glaurung Blunder Nr.03 (b3?)
[diag]4r1k1/1ppq3p/p2n2p1/Q2Pb1B1/3n2P1/2N4P/PP4B1/5R1K w - - 0 26[/diag]
[Event "Glaurung021-Pharaon32, Leperlier 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Glaurung Blunder Nr.03"]
[Black "Verteidigung"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4r1k1/1ppq3p/p2n2p1/Q2Pb1B1/3n2P1/2N4P/PP4B1/5R1K w - - 0 26"]
[PlyCount "8"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

26. b3 $2 Qg7 27. Qa4 (27. Bd2 Rf8 28. Rxf8+ Qxf8 $40) 27... Rf8 28. Rxf8+ Qxf8
29. Nd1 (29. Qd7 Qf2 $19) 29... Ne4 $19 *

Glaurung Blunder Nr.04 (Nf2?)
[diag]8/2n3k1/2r3p1/1r5p/p1pP1P2/2P3KP/PP6/R1BN4 w - - 0 49[/diag]
[Event "Glaurung017-Patriot13, Vignotto 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Glaurung Blunder Nr.04"]
[Black "Endspiel"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/2n3k1/2r3p1/1r5p/p1pP1P2/2P3KP/PP6/R1BN4 w - - 0 49"]
[PlyCount "8"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

49. Nf2 $2 Re6 50. Kf3 (50. Nd1 Nd5 $19) 50... Rb8 51. Nd1 (51. Ne4 Rbe8 52.
Nf2 (52. Nc5 Re1 $19) 52... Re1 $19) (51. Rb1 Re1 $19) 51... Nd5 52. Rb1 (52.
b4 cxb3 53. c4 Nf6 $19) (52. Ne3 Nxe3 53. Bxe3 Rxb2 $19) 52... Rf8 $19 *

Glaurung Blunder Nr.05 (Nd2?)
[diag]r5k1/1bqrbppp/1p1np3/pP2p3/P1P1P3/2NB1Q2/2R2PPP/3R1NK1 w - - 0 23[/diag]
[Event "Glaurung021-Tao56, Leperlier 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Glaurung Blunder Nr.05"]
[Black "Taktik"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r5k1/1bqrbppp/1p1np3/pP2p3/P1P1P3/2NB1Q2/2R2PPP/3R1NK1 w - - 0 23"]
[PlyCount "10"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

23. Nd2 $2 Nf5 24. Nd5 (24. Qh3 Nd4 25. Rcc1 (25. Rb2 Rad8 $19) 25... Ba3 26.
Rb1 Rad8 $19) 24... exd5 25. Qxf5 dxe4 26. Bxe4 (26. Be2 Rad8 $19) 26... Bxe4
27. Qxe4 Rad8 $19 *

Glaurung Blunder Nr.06 (Qa4?)
[diag]4r1k1/1pp3qp/p2n2p1/Q2Pb1B1/3n2P1/1PN4P/P5B1/5R1K w - - 0 27[/diag]
[Event "Glaurung021-Pharaon32, Leperlier 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Glaurung Blunder Nr.06"]
[Black "Taktik"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4r1k1/1pp3qp/p2n2p1/Q2Pb1B1/3n2P1/1PN4P/P5B1/5R1K w - - 0 27"]
[PlyCount "8"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

27. Qa4 $2 Rf8 28. Rxf8+ (28. Re1 Nf3 $19) 28... Qxf8 29. Nd1 (29. Be3 Nc2 30.
Bc5 Bxc3 $19) (29. Qd7 Qf2 30. Qd8+ Kg7 31. Qe7+ Nf7 $19) 29... Ne4 30. Bh4 g5
$19 *

Naum Blunder Nr.01 (g3?)
[diag]4brk1/p1p3pp/1p1b3q/5p2/3P4/3p1Q2/PBP2PPP/1R3RK1 w - - 0 17[/diag]
[Event "Naum16-Spike08a, Leperlier 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Naum Blunder Nr.01"]
[Black "Verteidigung"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4brk1/p1p3pp/1p1b3q/5p2/3P4/3p1Q2/PBP2PPP/1R3RK1 w - - 0 17"]
[PlyCount "10"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

17. g3 $2 dxc2 18. Qb3+ (18. Rbe1 f4 19. Qb3+ (19. Bc1 Qh3 $19) (19. Qc3 Bf7
$19) 19... Kh8 20. Bc1 (20. d5 Bf7 $19) 20... Qh3 $19) (18. Rbc1 f4 19. g4 Qg6
20. h3 (20. Rfe1 Bf7 $19) 20... Bf7 21. d5 h5 $19) 18... Bf7 19. Qxc2 f4 20.
Qc6 (20. Rbe1 Bd5 21. h4 Qh5 $19) (20. Qe4 Qh5 $19) 20... Qh5 21. g4 (21. Qd7
Bd5 $19) 21... Qxg4+ $19 *

Naum Blunder Nr.02 (g5?)
[diag]8/7k/1p1p2n1/1PpPp3/2P1P1Pb/2Q5/4N3/1q2BK2 w - - 0 49[/diag]
[Event "Naum16-KingOfKings256, Deville 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Naum Blunder Nr.02"]
[Black "Taktik"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/7k/1p1p2n1/1PpPp3/2P1P1Pb/2Q5/4N3/1q2BK2 w - - 0 49"]
[PlyCount "12"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

49. g5 $2 Kg7 50. Qc1 (50. Nc1 Qxe4 $19 51. Bxh4 Nxh4 $19) (50. Ng3 Bxg3 51.
Qxg3 Qxe4 $19) 50... Qxe4 51. Bxh4 (51. Qc3 Bxe1 52. Kxe1 (52. Qxe1 Nf4 $19)
52... Nf4 $19) 51... Nf4 52. Qd2 Qg2+ 53. Ke1 Qh1+ 54. Kf2 Qxh4+ $19 *

Naum Blunder Nr.03 (Kg1?)
[diag]R4rk1/5p2/1p2p1p1/8/2P1Q1p1/1P4P1/Pq4KP/8 w - - 0 44[/diag]
[Event "Naum16b-Bruja19b, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Naum Blunder Nr.03"]
[Black "Endspiel"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "R4rk1/5p2/1p2p1p1/8/2P1Q1p1/1P4P1/Pq4KP/8 w - - 0 44"]
[PlyCount "8"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

44. Kg1 $2 Kg7 45. Rxf8 (45. Qb7 Rxa8 46. Qxa8 e5 47. Qd5 (47. Qe4 Qa1+ 48. Kf2
Qxa2+ $19) 47... Qb1+ 48. Kf2 Qxa2+ $19) (45. Kf1 Rxa8 46. Qxa8 Qa1+ 47. Ke2 e5
$19) 45... Qa1+ 46. Kf2 Qxa2+ 47. Kg1 (47. Kf1 Kxf8 $19) 47... Kxf8 $19 *

Naum Blunder Nr.04 (h4?)
[diag]1r6/1pNb3r/pn1Npk1p/4npp1/2p5/P7/BPP2PPP/2KRR3 w - - 0 28[/diag]
[Event "Naum16-Petir23a, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Naum Blunder Nr.04"]
[Black "Taktik"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1r6/1pNb3r/pn1Npk1p/4npp1/2p5/P7/BPP2PPP/2KRR3 w - - 0 28"]
[PlyCount "4"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

28. h4 $2 Re7 29. hxg5+ (29. Rd2 Bc6 30. Rde2 Rxc7 31. Rxe5 Bd5 $19) (29. g3
Bc6 $19) 29... hxg5 $19 *

Naum Blunder Nr.05 (Nc4?)
[diag]R7/5pk1/4p3/P5pp/4P3/5PPn/r2N4/4K3 w - - 0 53[/diag]
[Event "Naum16-SlowChessBlitz, Leperlier 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Naum Blunder Nr.05"]
[Black "Endspiel"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "R7/5pk1/4p3/P5pp/4P3/5PPn/r2N4/4K3 w - - 0 53"]
[PlyCount "8"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

53. Nc4 $2 h4 54. gxh4 gxh4 55. Ne5 (55. Kf1 Nf4 56. Ne5 h3 $19) 55... Nf2 56.
Ra7 (56. a6 h3 $19) (56. Kf1 h3 $19) 56... h3 $19 *

Naum Blunder Nr.06 (g4?)
[diag]r4rk1/3bp1b1/3p1n1p/p1pP2pq/2N2p2/3QP1PP/PP2NPB1/1RR3K1 w - - 0 22[/diag]
[Event "Naum16-Spike09x, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Naum Blunder Nr.06"]
[Black "Koenigssicherheit"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r4rk1/3bp1b1/3p1n1p/p1pP2pq/2N2p2/3QP1PP/PP2NPB1/1RR3K1 w - - 0 22"]
[PlyCount "10"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

22. g4 $2 Nxg4 23. hxg4 (23. exf4 Bf5 $19) (23. Nxf4 gxf4 24. hxg4 Qxg4 25.
exf4 Rxf4 $19) 23... Bxg4 24. Nc3 (24. Rc2 Bxe2 25. Qxe2 (25. Rxe2 f3 26. Bxf3
Qxf3 $19) 25... f3 26. Qf1 fxg2 27. Qxg2 Rf3 $19) 24... f3 25. Bf1 (25. Bh1 Bf5
$19) 25... Bf5 26. Qd1 (26. e4 Bd4 $19) 26... g4 $19 *

Pharaon Blunder Nr.01 (Nxc7?)
[diag]r4rk1/1bp2pp1/pp5p/3Nq3/4n3/4P3/PP2BPPP/2RQ1RK1 w - - 0 16[/diag]
[Event "Pharaon32-Aristarch45, Canbaz 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Pharaon Blunder Nr.01"]
[Black "Taktik"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r4rk1/1bp2pp1/pp5p/3Nq3/4n3/4P3/PP2BPPP/2RQ1RK1 w - - 0 16"]
[PlyCount "10"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

16. Nxc7 $2 Rad8 17. Qb3 (17. Qa4 Rd2 18. Bxa6 (18. Bf3 Rxb2 19. a3 (19. h3 Rd8
$19) 19... Rd8 $19) 18... Nc5 19. Rxc5 bxc5 20. Bxb7 Qxc7 $40) 17... b5 18. Qa3
(18. Rfd1 Qg5 19. f4 Qh4 20. Bf3 Qf2+ $19) (18. Rfe1 Rd7 $19) (18. Qb4 Rd2 $19)
18... Rd2 19. f4 (19. Bf3 Rxb2 20. Qa5 (20. h3 Rc8 $19) 20... Nxf2 21. Rxf2
Rxf2 22. Bxb7 Rxa2 $19) (19. Bg4 Rfd8 $19) 19... Qf6 20. Bf3 Rfd8 $19 *

Pharaon Blunder Nr.02 (Kh1?)
[diag]r4rk1/p4qpp/b1p1p3/3nP1n1/2NP1p2/1PpQ2P1/P1N2PBP/2RR2K1 w - - 0 25[/diag]
[Event "Pharaon32-Fruit2, Canbaz 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Pharaon Blunder Nr.02"]
[Black "Verteidigung"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r4rk1/p4qpp/b1p1p3/3nP1n1/2NP1p2/1PpQ2P1/P1N2PBP/2RR2K1 w - - 0 25"]
[PlyCount "8"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

25. Kh1 $2 Qh5 26. h4 (26. Re1 Rad8 27. Qd1 (27. Rcd1 c5 $19) 27... f3 28. Bf1
c5 $19) 26... Rad8 27. Rb1 (27. Kg1 fxg3 28. Qxg3 (28. fxg3 Nf3+ $19) 28...
Nf3+ 29. Bxf3 Rxf3 $19) (27. Re1 c5 $19) 27... f3 28. Bf1 Rf4 $19 *

Pharaon Blunder Nr.03 (gxf4?)
[diag]2r1q2k/1p1br1p1/p4n2/3p2N1/3n1p2/P1NB2PP/1P6/2RQ1RK1 w - - 0 28[/diag]
[Event "Pharaon32-SOS4f.A., Koch 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Pharaon Blunder Nr.03"]
[Black "Verteidigung"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "2r1q2k/1p1br1p1/p4n2/3p2N1/3n1p2/P1NB2PP/1P6/2RQ1RK1 w - - 0 28"]
[PlyCount "6"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

28. gxf4 $2 Re3 29. Kg2 (29. Kf2 Nb3 30. Rb1 Nc5 $40) 29... Nb3 30. Rb1 (30.
Qxb3 Rxd3 31. Rfe1 Qh5 $19) 30... d4 $19 *

Pharaon Blunder Nr.04 (Bg4?)
[diag]4k3/p1rnqpp1/3bn1p1/P3p1P1/2N4r/3P1B2/1PP2P2/R1BQ1RK1 w - - 0 23[/diag]
[Event "Pharaon32-SOS4f.A., Koch 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Pharaon Blunder Nr.04"]
[Black "Koenigssicherheit"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4k3/p1rnqpp1/3bn1p1/P3p1P1/2N4r/3P1B2/1PP2P2/R1BQ1RK1 w - - 0 23"]
[PlyCount "6"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

23. Bg4 $2 f5 24. gxf6 (24. Bf3 e4 $19) (24. Be2 e4 $19) 24... Nxf6 25. Be2 (
25. f3 Nxg4 26. fxg4 (26. Nxd6+ Qxd6 27. fxg4 Qd4+ $19) 26... e4 $19) (25. Bf3
e4 26. Be3 (26. Re1 exf3 27. Qxf3 Rg4+ $19) (26. Bg2 Rxc4 $19) 26... Bh2+ 27.
Kh1 Nd5 $19) (25. Bxe6 Qxe6 26. Nxd6+ Qxd6 $19) 25... e4 $19 *

Pharaon Blunder Nr.05 (b4?)
[diag]2r1r2k/3b2pp/1p1P4/8/p1P5/P1R3P1/1P1R1P1P/6K1 w - - 0 29[/diag]
[Event "Pharaon32-Ruffian105, Krupikov 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Pharaon Blunder Nr.05"]
[Black "Endspiel"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "2r1r2k/3b2pp/1p1P4/8/p1P5/P1R3P1/1P1R1P1P/6K1 w - - 0 29"]
[PlyCount "10"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

29. b4 $2 axb3 30. Rxb3 Rxc4 31. Rxb6 Rc3 32. a4 (32. Ra2 Re1+ 33. Kg2 Kg8 34.
a4 (34. f3 Kf7 $19) 34... Bc6+ 35. Kh3 Rd1 $19) (32. Rd1 Rxa3 33. Rb7 Rd8 $19)
(32. f4 Rxa3 33. Kg2 Kg8 $19) 32... Ra3 33. Kg2 (33. f3 Rxa4 34. Kf2 (34. Rb7
Rd8 35. Rc2 Be8 $19) 34... g5 $19) (33. Rd4 Rxa4 34. Rxa4 Bxa4 $19) (33. f4
Rxa4 34. Kf2 g6 35. Rb7 Rd8 $19) 33... Rxa4 $19 *

Pharaon Blunder Nr.06 (Nb7?)
[diag]3r4/5k2/8/2N4R/1PP5/2K3p1/6rP/8 w - - 0 53[/diag]
[Event "Pharaon32-Tao56, Leperlier 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Pharaon Blunder Nr.06"]
[Black "Endspiel"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3r4/5k2/8/2N4R/1PP5/2K3p1/6rP/8 w - - 0 53"]
[PlyCount "8"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

53. Nb7 $2 Rb8 54. h4 (54. Nd6+ Kg6 55. Rh3 (55. Rh4 gxh2 $19) 55... gxh2 $19)
(54. Nc5 Rxh2 55. Rf5+ Kg6 56. Rf3 g2 $19) 54... Rg1 55. Nd6+ Ke6 56. Nf5 (56.
Nb5 Rc1+ $19) 56... Rd8 $19 *

[/b]

>I have edited all messages and copied them together in one .
>Unfortunately the discussion went out of hand immediatly and ended in a "I post somewhere else" message.
>I've got a severe cold and I'm not in the mood to be to balancing. If someone doesn't like this forum,
>Winboard engines, the Winboard protocol, me in person, phpBB, my domain name or whatever there is
>absolutely no reason to post here. If someone doesn't post here I notice that.
>There is absolutely no reason to inform me about that.
>In addition I admit I sometimes appreciate the writing style of the originating poster.
>What I will not miss is his arrogant attitude.

You forgot the EXACT chronology of the event:

1. I wrote here a lot of interesting amateur chess positions

2. But for Admin Simon that wasn't "a joy"
(because he doesn't like "chessbase annotations"?)

3. Then I said: I will look for another place.

That's not arrogant. That's just logical...

Regards: Walter

>I have edited all messages and copied them together in one .
>Unfortunately the discussion went out of hand immediatly and ended in a "I post somewhere else" message.
>I've got a severe cold and I'm not in the mood to be to balancing. If someone doesn't like this forum,
>Winboard engines, the Winboard protocol, me in person, phpBB, my domain name or whatever there is
>absolutely no reason to post here. If someone doesn't post here I notice that.
>There is absolutely no reason to inform me about that.
>In addition I admit I sometimes appreciate the writing style of the originating poster.
>What I will not miss is his arrogant attitude.

You forgot the EXACT chronology of the event:

1. I wrote here a lot of interesting amateur chess positions

2. But for Admin Simon that wasn't "a joy"
(because he doesn't like "chessbase annotations"?)

3. Then I said: I will look for another place.

That's not arrogant. That's just logical...

Regards: Walter

Get back to reality:

1. I posted as a normal user of this forum, otherwise
I won't have done the work with analyzing one of your positions.

2. I like Chessbase annotations but not outside Chessbase...
Why? Have you ever looked at your own posting? Do you see the
right symbols? Do you think it is for any use in that way for a _forum_?
Are you open for any kind of criticism?
Has anyone answered any of your 10 posts except me?
May be it was because of all the $ symbols?

3. Did you ever look at the analyzing I have posted?

4. What was the need to fire 10 posts instead of one or two?

5. Do you think judging someone as 'arrogant' is done by one
posting only?

6. Will you ever go to a let's say Linux forum fire up 10 posts
in 'Word' format and say 'BTW I don't like Linux'? What will you expect
with some sense of reality?

Guenther

Guenther Simon wrote:2. I like Chessbase annotations but not outside Chessbase...
Why? Have you ever looked at your own posting? Do you see the
right symbols? Do you think it is for any use in that way for a _forum_?
Are you open for any kind of criticism?
Has anyone answered any of your 10 posts except me?
May be it was because of all the $ symbols?

What are Chessbase annotations? The $ symbols are in the PGN standard. When Winboard cannot do anything with them, it might be useful to fix it. IMHO Winboard is of no use, when looking at PGNs with variations, anyway. I think that PGNs with variations is still the best format to discuss positions analysis - even in a forum called Winboard forum.

I think +- +/- etc. signs inside a PGN are not in conformance with the PGN Standard! In http://www.tim-mann.org/Standard you all can read what the $n mean.

Cheers,
Dieter

What are Chessbase annotations? The $ symbols are in the PGN standard. When Winboard cannot do anything with them, it might be useful to fix it. IMHO Winboard is of no use, when looking at PGNs with variations, anyway. I think that PGNs with variations is still the best format to discuss positions analysis - even in a forum called Winboard forum.

Hi Dieter,

I was neither speaking about WB nor about the WB forum ...
Most chess players look at something without any interface before
they decide to do something with the posted informations.
If one just sees $4 or $19 the motivation to look at it is already
gone.
Another solution would be to post the explanations too. or do you expect
someone to have the PGN standard handy, when reading a forum?
BTW without the full PGN most positions won't be reproducable at all,
because the hash table informations miss.

Guenther

Dieter Buerssner wrote:

In http://www.tim-mann.org/Standard you all can read what the $n mean.

I see only '$' alone explained there, but no table about the
meanings of '$n'?

Guenther

>2. I like Chessbase annotations but not outside Chessbase...
Why? Have you ever looked at your own posting? Do you see the
right symbols? Do you think it is for any use in that way for a _forum_?

I'm very sure: Today each wiboarder has his "Fritz" or Co. (In capitals: EACH!)
BTW: G.Simon too! So you are simply trolling.

>3. Did you ever look at the analyzing I have posted?

Try your Crafty again - but correctly!

MY Crafty 19.18 plays Bd3?(Nr.01) for a long time!

>4. What was the need to fire 10 posts instead of one or two?

I planned more than 100 diags from more than 20 amateur engines.
So I had to divide the stuff. -

Again: You are simply trolling. That's all.

Walter

Hi

It seems from reading the standard that $n, where n is a number from 0-255 are used for Nags. That is the standard Nags in the moves: !, ?, !!, !?, ?!, ?? can be replaced by $1, $2, .. $6. However, no mention is made of numbers greater than 6. They must be chessbase's own NAGS.

Pallav

>2. I like Chessbase annotations but not outside Chessbase...
Why? Have you ever looked at your own posting? Do you see the
right symbols? Do you think it is for any use in that way for a _forum_?

I'm very sure: Today each wiboarder has his "Fritz" or Co. (In capitals: EACH!)
BTW: G.Simon too! So you are simply trolling.

>3. Did you ever look at the analyzing I have posted?

Try your Crafty again - but correctly!

MY Crafty 19.18 plays Bd3?(Nr.01) for a long time!

>4. What was the need to fire 10 posts instead of one or two?

I planned more than 100 diags from more than 20 amateur engines.
So I had to divide the stuff. -

Again: You are simply trolling. That's all.

Walter

I am speechless, I believe people can decide on their own,
who is trolling here.
If other people agree with your opinion I will immediately
leave that place, as I really have better things to do than
trolling around here...

Anyway, you still don't understand that there are a lot of people around,
who read postings from chess positions and pgns like newspapers
without any need from extra chessboards or any software?
I had no _joy_ in reading your excerpts and this is just my
opinion, may be you allow me to have one?

If 'your' Crafty plays a crappy move, may be you did something
wrong not me?, or may be you did use a bad version of Crafty 19.18
at all? Do you really think I need to make up a faked debug?
If yes you should hire a psychologist...
I posted my analyzing for Crafty 19.18 BH under WB and I know how to set it up.
If you use a CB version from Crafty anything is possible, which
is known since long... Moreover at least a Crafty 19.17 version
from Dann Corbit also made strange blunder moves sometimes
and this was reported in a thread at CCC by Bob Hyatt.

Also you did not post the pgn files, which would be necessary to
reproduce the exact behaviour, but it seems you have no idea
about this?

BTW you have also removed all time control/hardware informations
from your positions. Do you know that even F8 makes a lot of the
same 'blunders' in reasonable time?

No regards,
G.

P.S. Why do you use all that WB programs, if you complain
about the 'blunders' they leave on your HD?

Cool down guys... Peace

>I am speechless, I believe people can decide on their own,
who is trolling here.

Yes, they do that, I'm sure...

>Anyway, you still don't understand that there are a lot of people around,
who read postings from chess positions and pgns like newspapers
without any need from extra chessboards or any software?

Nonsense. That's a computer chess forum, not a comic.
PGN's are for Copy&Paste.
You know that too, but you want a little bit trolling around.

>If 'your' Crafty plays a crappy move, may be you did something
>wrong not me?, or may be you did use a bad version of Crafty 19.18
>at all? Do you really think I need to make up a faked debug?
>If yes you should hire a psychologist...

So let's have a look at some Crafty lines (of my position Nr.01)
FEN: 6k1/2rbqpbp/1r1pp1p1/8/ppn1PN2/P1P1PNP1/1P2Q2P/1B1R1RK1 w - - 0 38

There are three newest Crafty's on my hard disk:

-->Crafty 19.15, Winboard-Engine, Arena 1.1, Pentium4:

1 00:00 1.327 1.327 +0.50 axb4
(...)
14 02:18 141.192.892 1.023.136 -0.69 Ld3 bxa3 Lxc4 axb2 Sd4 a3 Dd3 Lc8 Tb1 Txc4 Dxc4 La6 Da2 Lxf1 Kxf1

-->Crafty 19.17, Winboard-Engine, Arena 1.1, Pentium4:

1 00:00 1.269 1.269 +0.55 axb4
(...)
14 01:57 120.919.744 1.033.502 -0.52 Ld3 bxa3 Lxc4 axb2 Sd2 Lxc3 Sb1 Lg7 Dd3 Tb4 La6 Lc6 Dxd6 Dxd6 Txd6 Lxe4

-->Crafty 19.18, Chessbase-Engine, Fritz8, Pentium4:

1.axb4 a3 2.b3 e5
? (0.52) Tiefe: 1/11 00:00:00
= (0.01) Tiefe: 4/11 00:00:00
(...)
1.Ld3 bxa3 2.Lxc4 axb2 3.Sd2 a3 4.Sb1 La4 5.Tde1 Dg5 6.Sxa3 Dc5 7.Sxe6 fxe6 8.Lxe6+ Kh8
= (0.12) Tiefe: 6/18 00:00:00 107kN
? (-0.53) Tiefe: 14/33 00:02:08 123337kN

And now tell me who "should hire a psychologist..."

But it's okay for me. In the meantime I know your big mouth.

>Also you did not post the pgn files...

Of course not! I post positions, not games. What's your problem?

>BTW you have also removed all time control/hardware informations
from your positions. Do you know that even F8 makes a lot of the
same 'blunders' in reasonable time?

Really? Can you give us some proofs? No? What a pity...

But's okay again. Troll's as you don't like proofs. Or arguments.
So go back do your little funny pretty nicely "RWBC CLASSES".
And tell us who is winning. Perhaps Crafty?

But now the end of my announcement. You steal my time.

Walter

.

G?nther:
>Another solution would be to post the explanations too. or do you expect
> someone to have the PGN standard handy, when reading a forum?

No, of course not. I also see and respect your point. I personally prefer normal PGN. Pasting the PGN to some editor window, for example, and then loading it into some Chess software (where I then typically have my engine running in analyse mode).

>BTW without the full PGN most positions won't be reproducable at all,
> because the hash table informations miss.

Often moves are difficult to reproduce. PGNs will hardly help (when things are not reproducable from FEN - sometimes they do help, however). As you point out, hash tables often make things difficult to reproduce. But the PGN will not help anything in reproducing the actual state of the hash tables in the game. Many/most cases are not that critical and one will see, that an engine might blunder for a while (perhaps not as long, as the time control of the actual games suggests). I did not see Walter's post (I probably did not see any original, just what is here now) under a reproducability/bug report point of view at all. I saw it as a collection of possibly interesting traps for engines.

One side note to reproducability of Crafty games: I have seen it more than once, that there were different versions of Crafty with the same version number. For example, I reported some (TB related) bug not too long ago, and it was "fixed" at least twice (one fix was wrong), while the version number of Crafty did not change.

In another post:

>>In http://www.tim-mann.org/Standard you all can read what the $n mean.

>I see only '$' alone explained there, but no table about the
meanings of '$n'?

I could have pointed out it better, sorry. It is under

"10: Numeric Annotation Glyphs"

I totally agree with Pradu. From own experience I know, that it is very easy to become annoyed by small things.

Cheers,
Dieter

@Eigenmann:

So let's have a look at some Crafty lines (of my position Nr.01)
FEN: 6k1/2rbqpbp/1r1pp1p1/8/ppn1PN2/P1P1PNP1/1P2Q2P/1B1R1RK1 w - - 0 38

There are three newest Crafty's on my hard disk:

-->Crafty 19.15, Winboard-Engine, Arena 1.1, Pentium4:

1 00:00 1.327 1.327 +0.50 axb4
(...)
14 02:18 141.192.892 1.023.136 -0.69 Ld3 bxa3 Lxc4 axb2 Sd4 a3 Dd3 Lc8 Tb1 Txc4 Dxc4 La6 Da2 Lxf1 Kxf1

-->Crafty 19.17, Winboard-Engine, Arena 1.1, Pentium4:

1 00:00 1.269 1.269 +0.55 axb4
(...)
14 01:57 120.919.744 1.033.502 -0.52 Ld3 bxa3 Lxc4 axb2 Sd2 Lxc3 Sb1 Lg7 Dd3 Tb4 La6 Lc6 Dxd6 Dxd6 Txd6 Lxe4

-->Crafty 19.18, Chessbase-Engine, Fritz8, Pentium4:

1.axb4 a3 2.b3 e5
? (0.52) Tiefe: 1/11 00:00:00
= (0.01) Tiefe: 4/11 00:00:00
(...)
1.Ld3 bxa3 2.Lxc4 axb2 3.Sd2 a3 4.Sb1 La4 5.Tde1 Dg5 6.Sxa3 Dc5 7.Sxe6 fxe6 8.Lxe6+ Kh8
= (0.12) Tiefe: 6/18 00:00:00 107kN
? (-0.53) Tiefe: 14/33 00:02:08 123337kN

And now tell me who "should hire a psychologist..."

Why dont you ever read the posts? I told you all about buggy
Crafty compiles, may be you trust Dieter at least...
(buggy interfaces too...)

Will you lose your sense of reality now, if I show you something,
which does not fit into 'your view' of the 'world'?

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9724 >first : force
9724 >first : new
random
9724 >first : level 40 360 0
9724 >first : post
9724 >first : hard
9724 >first : easy
9724 >first : ping 2
9724 >first : force
9724 >first : setboard 6k1/2rbqpbp/1r1pp1p1/8/ppn1PN2/P1P1PNP1/1P2Q2P/1B1R1RK1 w - - 0 1
11216 <first : tellicsnoalias set 1 Crafty v19.18 BH (1 cpus)
11216 <first : pong 2
11747 >first : name Guenther Simon
11747 >first : time 2160000
otim 2160000
11747 >first : go
11747 <first : tellicsnoalias kibitz Hello from Crafty v19.18 BH!
13920 <first :     6    -23      50 124768  1. cxb4 Nxb2 2. Rc1 Bb5 3. Rxc7 Qxc7 4. Bd3 Nxd3 5. Nxd3
14170 <first :     7    -23      75 179855  1. cxb4 Nxb2 2. Rc1 Bb5 3. Rxc7 Qxc7 4. Bd3 Nxd3 5. Nxd3
14601 <first :     7    -23     118 305779  1. cxb4 Nxb2 2. Rc1 Bb5 3. Rxc7 Qxc7 4. Bd3 Nxd3 5. Nxd3
14982 <first :     8    -39     156 404384  1. cxb4 Nxb2 2. Rc1 Bb5 3. Bd3 Nxd3 4. Nxd3 Rbc6 5. Rb1
16624 <first :     8    -39     321 821328  1. cxb4 Nxb2 2. Rc1 Bb5 3. Bd3 Nxd3 4. Nxd3 Rbc6 5. Rb1
17695 <first :     9    -27     428 1131102  1. cxb4 Nxb2 2. Rc1 Bb5 3. Bd3 Nxd3 4. Nxd3 Rxc1 5. Rxc1 Rc6 6. Rxc6 Bxc6
18977 <first :     9    -27     556 1612540  1. cxb4 Nxb2 2. Rc1 Bb5 3. Bd3 Nxd3 4. Nxd3 Rxc1 5. Rxc1 Rc6 6. Rxc6 Bxc6
20690 <first :    10    -37     727 2195430  1. cxb4 Nxb2 2. Rc1 Bb5 3. Bd3 Nxd3 4. Nxd3 Rbc6 5. Rxc6 Bxc6 6. Nf2 Bb7
24886 <first :    10    -37    1147 3513335  1. cxb4 Nxb2 2. Rc1 Bb5 3. Bd3 Nxd3 4. Nxd3 Rbc6 5. Rxc6 Bxc6 6. Nf2 Bb7
31916 <first :    11    -78    1850 5878296  1. cxb4 Nxb2 2. Rd2 Bb5 3. Bd3 Nxd3 4. Nxd3 Rc3 5. Nd4 Bxd4 6. exd4 Rxa3 7. Rb1 Bxd3 8. Rxd3 Rxd3 9. Qxd3
40088 <first :    11    -63    2667 8303700  1. axb4 a3 2. bxa3 Bxc3 3. Qa2 Nxe3 4. Qf2 Nxd1 5. Qxb6 Rc6 6. Qb7
55550 <first :    11    -63    4213 13023355  1. axb4 a3 2. bxa3 Bxc3 3. Qa2 Nxe3 4. Qf2 Nxd1 5. Qxb6 Rc6 6. Qb7
66646 <first :    12    -57    5323 16374649  1. axb4 a3 2. bxa3 Bxc3 3. Qa2 Bb5 4. a4 Bd7 5. Rc1 Qf6 6. e5 Nxe5 7. Nxe5 Qxe5
93434 <first :    12    -57    8002 24541749  1. axb4 a3 2. bxa3 Bxc3 3. Qa2 Bb5 4. a4 Bd7 5. Rc1 Qf6 6. e5 Nxe5 7. Nxe5 Qxe5
132070 <first :    13    -59   11865 36240272  1. axb4 a3 2. bxa3 Bxc3 3. Qa2 Ra6 4. Bd3 Rxa3 5. Qe2 Nb2 6. Rb1 Nxd3 7. Nxd3 Bb5
196623 <first :    13    -59   18320 55649438  1. axb4 a3 2. bxa3 Bxc3 3. Qa2 Ra6 4. Bd3 Rxa3 5. Qe2 Nb2 6. Rb1 Nxd3 7. Nxd3 Bb5
299901 <first :    14    -69   28648 84352711  1. axb4 a3 2. bxa3 Bxc3 3. Qa2 Ra6 4. Bd3 Rxa3 5. Qe2 g5 6. Bxc4 gxf4 7. exf4 Bxb4

>BTW you have also removed all time control/hardware informations
from your positions. Do you know that even F8 makes a lot of the
same 'blunders' in reasonable time?

Really? Can you give us some proofs? No? What a pity...

I have lots of proofs, but it would have been your task to crosscheck this,
may be you even know this?

I totally agree with Pradu. From own experience I know, that it is very easy to become annoyed by small things.

Cheers,
Dieter

Being called a troll permanently by a guy like Eigenmann,
who is unable to listen to arguments, nor passing arguments
himself is really annoying.

Guenther

>I did not see Walter's post (I probably did not see any original, just what is here now) under a reproducability/bug report point of view at all. I saw it as a collection of possibly interesting traps for engines.

Some special positions for the Yace-Chief...

Hope you can read the PGN's?

Regards: Walter

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[Event "Yace09987-Thinker47a, Koch 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Yace Blunder Nr.01"]
[Black "Gegenangriff"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "2rr2k1/4bpp1/p1q1b2p/1ppnP3/2N1Q3/1P2BN2/P2R1PPP/3R2K1 w - b6 0 22"]
[PlyCount "6"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

22. Na3 $2 Qe8 23. Nb1 (23. Re1 c4 24. Nc2 (24. bxc4 bxc4 $19) 24... cxb3 25.
axb3 Nc3 $19) 23... c4 24. bxc4 bxc4 $19 *

[Event "Yace09987-Gothmog1b10, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Yace Blunder Nr.02"]
[Black "Koenigssicherheit"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r4r1k/2q1bPpp/p7/1bp5/Np2P1P1/1B6/PPP1Q2P/1K1R2R1 w - - 0 21"]
[PlyCount "8"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

21. c4 $2 bxc3 22. Qf3 c4 23. Bc2 (23. Qxc3 Bf6 $19) 23... Bxa4 24. Bxa4 Rab8
$19 *

[Event "Yace09987-Thinker47a, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Yace Blunder Nr.03"]
[Black "Gegenangriff"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4r1k1/1p1r1p2/p1p3q1/2R4p/P2Pp1b1/1PQ1P1N1/5PP1/2R3K1 w - - 0 33"]
[PlyCount "8"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

33. Kf1 $2 h4 34. Nh1 (34. Qa5 f5 35. Nxf5 (35. Nh1 Bh5 $19) 35... Qf6 36. Kg1
(36. d5 Bxf5 $19) 36... Rf7 $19) 34... f6 35. b4 Rg7 36. Ke1 (36. b5 axb5 37.
axb5 Be6 $19) (36. Qc2 Bd7 37. g3 h3 $40) 36... Be6 $40 *

[Event "Yace09987-SOS4, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Yace Blunder Nr.04"]
[Black "Koenigssicherheit"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1rb1kr2/5p1p/pp2pq2/2p3p1/2PnQ3/N7/PP2BPPP/3RR1K1 w - - 0 25"]
[PlyCount "12"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

25. Qxh7 $2 Rh8 26. Qe4 (26. Qd3 Bb7 $40) 26... Rh4 27. Qe3 (27. Qd3 Bb7 $40)
27... Bb7 28. Bf1 (28. h3 Re4 29. Qg3 Rd8 $40) 28... Rg4 29. Kh1 (29. h3 Nf3+
$19) 29... Ke7 30. Rd3 (30. h3 Rh8 $19) 30... Rh8 $19 *

[Event "Yace09987-Maestro108, Dijksman 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Yace Blunder Nr.05"]
[Black "Verteidigung"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "5rk1/1rpq1p2/1b1p2p1/1p1P3p/1P2P2P/PRN2QP1/5n1K/4RB2 w - - 0 34"]
[PlyCount "6"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

34. Nxb5 $2 f5 35. e5 (35. exf5 Ng4+ 36. Kh1 Rxf5 $19) 35... dxe5 36. d6 (36.
Nc3 f4 $19) 36... c6 $19 *

[Event "Yace09987-Ruffian105, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Yace Blunder Nr.06"]
[Black "Verteidigung"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1rbqr1k1/4b1pp/3p2n1/P1pP1p2/1p1n1P2/1Q4P1/1P1B1NBP/R2NR1K1 w - - 0 26"]
[PlyCount "10"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

26. Qc4 $2 Ra8 27. Ne3 (27. a6 Bd7 28. Ne3 Bb5 $19) 27... Ba6 28. Qa2 (28. Qc1
Nb3 29. Qc2 Nxa1 30. Rxa1 Bb5 $19) 28... Qd7 29. Kh1 (29. Nh3 Bd8 $19) 29...
Bd8 30. b3 (30. Qb1 Nb3 31. Qxf5 Qxf5 32. Nxf5 Rf8 $19) 30... Be2 $19 *

Pallav Nawani wrote:However, no mention is made of numbers greater than 6. They must be chessbase's own NAGS.

In Oct. 2002, I was in mail contact with M.Feist of ChessBase about an enhancement of the PGN standard for the engine calculaton infos. CB. were just the quickest to implement it. As he wrote me, there has been a kind of conference deciding about this, with the participation of Chess Assistant, DGT, and others. The new format for the engine's infos allows to re-create graphical evaluation & thinking time profiles of any game, which is extremely useful to find "interesting" positions much more quickly.

(We didn't talk about standard commentary symbol's codes though. - I guess it's possible that some of the PGN standard infos on the web are not up-to-date.)

I'm not aware of another GUI which supports that engine info format though, currently. Chess Asssistant maybe?

Pallav Nawani wrote:It seems from reading the standard that $n, where n is a number from 0-255 are used for Nags. That is the standard Nags in the moves: !, ?, !!, !?, ?!, ?? can be replaced by $1, $2, .. $6. However, no mention is made of numbers greater than 6. They must be chessbase's own NAGS.

Pallav, you must have overlooked it. In the PGN Standard at the link I gave some posts up, numbers 1 to 139 are described, also it is noted that higher values are reserved for future definitions. I think, I have seen a longer list once (perhaps together with Scid). The date of the document: "Revised: 1994.03.12". Did chessbase even exist then?

Cheers,
Dieter

>Some special positions for the Yace-Chief...

Uninteresting positions for Yace, Dieter?!

Regards: Walter

________________________________________________________

[Event "Yace09987-Thinker47a, Koch 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Yace Blunder Nr.01"]
[Black "Gegenangriff"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "2rr2k1/4bpp1/p1q1b2p/1ppnP3/2N1Q3/1P2BN2/P2R1PPP/3R2K1 w - b6 0 22"]
[PlyCount "6"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

22. Na3 $2 Qe8 23. Nb1 (23. Re1 c4 24. Nc2 (24. bxc4 bxc4 $19) 24... cxb3 25.
axb3 Nc3 $19) 23... c4 24. bxc4 bxc4 $19 *

[Event "Yace09987-Gothmog1b10, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Yace Blunder Nr.02"]
[Black "Koenigssicherheit"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r4r1k/2q1bPpp/p7/1bp5/Np2P1P1/1B6/PPP1Q2P/1K1R2R1 w - - 0 21"]
[PlyCount "8"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

21. c4 $2 bxc3 22. Qf3 c4 23. Bc2 (23. Qxc3 Bf6 $19) 23... Bxa4 24. Bxa4 Rab8
$19 *

[Event "Yace09987-Thinker47a, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Yace Blunder Nr.03"]
[Black "Gegenangriff"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4r1k1/1p1r1p2/p1p3q1/2R4p/P2Pp1b1/1PQ1P1N1/5PP1/2R3K1 w - - 0 33"]
[PlyCount "8"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

33. Kf1 $2 h4 34. Nh1 (34. Qa5 f5 35. Nxf5 (35. Nh1 Bh5 $19) 35... Qf6 36. Kg1
(36. d5 Bxf5 $19) 36... Rf7 $19) 34... f6 35. b4 Rg7 36. Ke1 (36. b5 axb5 37.
axb5 Be6 $19) (36. Qc2 Bd7 37. g3 h3 $40) 36... Be6 $40 *

[Event "Yace09987-SOS4, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Yace Blunder Nr.04"]
[Black "Koenigssicherheit"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1rb1kr2/5p1p/pp2pq2/2p3p1/2PnQ3/N7/PP2BPPP/3RR1K1 w - - 0 25"]
[PlyCount "12"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

25. Qxh7 $2 Rh8 26. Qe4 (26. Qd3 Bb7 $40) 26... Rh4 27. Qe3 (27. Qd3 Bb7 $40)
27... Bb7 28. Bf1 (28. h3 Re4 29. Qg3 Rd8 $40) 28... Rg4 29. Kh1 (29. h3 Nf3+
$19) 29... Ke7 30. Rd3 (30. h3 Rh8 $19) 30... Rh8 $19 *

[Event "Yace09987-Maestro108, Dijksman 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Yace Blunder Nr.05"]
[Black "Verteidigung"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "5rk1/1rpq1p2/1b1p2p1/1p1P3p/1P2P2P/PRN2QP1/5n1K/4RB2 w - - 0 34"]
[PlyCount "6"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

34. Nxb5 $2 f5 35. e5 (35. exf5 Ng4+ 36. Kh1 Rxf5 $19) 35... dxe5 36. d6 (36.
Nc3 f4 $19) 36... c6 $19 *

[Event "Yace09987-Ruffian105, AEGT 2005"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Yace Blunder Nr.06"]
[Black "Verteidigung"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W.Eigenmann"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1rbqr1k1/4b1pp/3p2n1/P1pP1p2/1p1n1P2/1Q4P1/1P1B1NBP/R2NR1K1 w - - 0 26"]
[PlyCount "10"]
[Source "W.Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2005.03.05"]

26. Qc4 $2 Ra8 27. Ne3 (27. a6 Bd7 28. Ne3 Bb5 $19) 27... Ba6 28. Qa2 (28. Qc1
Nb3 29. Qc2 Nxa1 30. Rxa1 Bb5 $19) 28... Qd7 29. Kh1 (29. Nh3 Bd8 $19) 29...
Bd8 30. b3 (30. Qb1 Nb3 31. Qxf5 Qxf5 32. Nxf5 Rf8 $19) 30... Be2 $19 *

Walter Eigenmann wrote:Uninteresting positions for Yace, Dieter?!

No, not at all. Thanks a lot. I will need some time, to investigate them.

Regards,
Dieter