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Hi all,

the first part of the uphill struggle between the two women has finished.

The dignified spirit of the hall got shaken to the core by the female combat - but see for yourself and visit the Mystic Chess Tour!

Thanks for correcting to Lex Domingo, whom I asked for help to give Charles and Chris a break from my misty thoughts.

Moreover thanks a lot to Heinz, who inspires my fancy with many ideas and wrote the connection passage to the second game.

Have fun

http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/brutra.html
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/tabellen/brutra1.htm
(better readable text here, because of dark background on the other link)

Uschi

Enchanting. Bewitching.

Keep up the good work, Uschi.

Best
Dan H.

Hi Dan,

I think, I was just under a witch?s and a gentlewoman?s spell, torn between their orders .

I hope, you can enjoy more witchcraft and wizardry soon in Part 2 of the fight .

Shaking like a leaf at the thought of a new women?s fight I wish you much fun in following up the Mystic Chess Tour .

Uschi

Hi Uschi

I think what you do is more than just entertainment and fun. Instead of a bunch of programs with different names that all play chess, some better than others, you create a history, a personality. I don't know if many in the computer chess community know that Bruja means witch. More do now and for many of those she has an identity - "ah yes, the one that had that nasty fight with Trace" When the programs take on some character, the tournaments and other aspects of the hobby become more interesting and enjoyable.

Many thanks for your efforts.
Dan H.

Hi Dan ,

this is a nice aspect, giving character to the engines.

Anyway this is something completely new and a bit "shocking" for this friendly but serious forum. As far as I remember it was Albert Einstein (one of Uschi?s favourites, as she likes science and thoughts about space and time - also an important aspect in chess) who said: "Knowledge is limited, fantasy isn?t".

Anyway we are trying to spare you from total madness. We already excluded a lot of fantasies that would just be off the trolley.

Nonetheless one warning, the second game will be more crazy. We should try to compensate this with serious chess analyses in another thread .

Best Regards
Heinz

Heinz van Kempen wrote:Hi Dan ,

this is a nice aspect, giving character to the engines.

Anyway this is something completely new and a bit "shocking" for this friendly but serious forum. As far as I remember it was Albert Einstein (one of Uschi?s favourites, as she likes science and thoughts about space and time - also an important aspect in chess) who said: "Knowledge is limited, fantasy isn?t".

Anyway we are trying to spare you from total madness. We already excluded a lot of fantasies that would just be off the trolley.

Nonetheless one warning, the second game will be more crazy. We should try to compensate this with serious chess analyses in another thread .

Best Regards
Heinz

Hello Heinz,

I am quite pleased that you consider this a friendly Forum. Certainly I think it is quite a nice place or I would not have hung around as long as I have......alright so there is the matter of the chain that Volker has around my ankles but that is another matter!

Please do not compensate the tales with serious analysis. I have done that with nary a response. This story-telling is wonderful stuff and authors actually respond to it.

I wonder what the off the trolley fantasies are? It would take some doing to shock me.



Have fun here. It is home and home has rooms for cooking, for sleeping, for bathing, for relaxing and yes, for fantasising. Thank you Uschi and Heinz.....for the stories.

That from me, the serious one.....



Later.

I wonder what the off the trolley fantasies are? It would take some doing to shock me.

Hi Roger ,

just a few examples what we excluded...

-Zappa as a downtown junkie totally drugged and using the typical slang and of course including some of his obscene songtexts in the game would be censored at once.

-Terra as traveller through time and space fantasising about science fiction and the future of chess, what should be a much more complicated game (there are chess versions using hundreds of kinds of pieces and strange boards) would probably lead to being banned from this forum for all times .

-Richard, tall as he is, as opponent for Shaq Attack in a game mixing basketball and chess (only interesting for NBA fans).

We think "mainstream" and best apted are stories like fairy tales or sagas (maybe some allusions to the popular "Lord of the Rings", there was also a special chess version in Harry Potter by the way). Or referring to popular books.

On the other hand Uschi likes philosophy and I cannot guarantee that she won?t write things practically no one would understand, I really do not know what she will do after preparing people slowly but constantly for the ultimate madness. Seeing either only a few or really a lot of views will show us when we exceeded the limits .

Anyway it will be chess related and ... ah yes, as close as possible to winboard engines .

By the way Roger, chained or not, you are one of the few people here convincing us that humour is still alive, even here.

Best Regards
Heinz

P.S.: first quiz question: In which well-known event in chess history the incident with the hipnotist and the members of the sect took place?

Hi all,

thanks a lot for your compliments . I really take delight in reading all your commentaries and opinions, getting some feedback to my humble stories.

@ Dan:

To give some peronality to an engine is an interesting aspect for me, too. It makes me somehow reminiscent of my long ago youth: When I was watching sports-events, I always tended to choose one part as my favourite,even if I had no really prefered one in this fight, transmuting to its fan for just that event, to give me more thrilling and identification during the fight.
Seeing my son watching the games of my tournaments (actually he really likes to watch them, although I must admit, he kicks me off the computer after some time *g*), I can see a similar effect: some names fire his fancy and therefore these engines are our favourites then.
Moreover I can notice for myself, too,that I watch games with engines of my stories with increased advertence, as if I were some (fairy) godmother for them .
So beside all ?serious chess thoughts? - give your fancy full scope in creating personalities for every engine in your mind but ? please ? never forget: the characters in the stories are arisen from my fantasy and not at all any form of valuation from my side.

@Heinz:

Once more many thanks for inspiring me again and again. I see with pleasure, that the fantasy of everyone here is pretty fine, although I admit, some of our crackpot ideas might be too hair-rising *g*. But matching with my personality, I take some analogy of the chaos theory here: ?The wing beat of a butterfly can cause a hurricane!?

@Roger:

As there is the danger, that my chess-analyses could be considered as fairy-tales, too, it might be better I restrict to fairy-stories further on .
Just one more....the ample experience of an old woman tells me, these, who call themselves ?serious one? are the wildest ones .

Hey presto!

Uschi

Hi,


Thankyou Uschi and Heinz for a splendid read. This is a great idea to involve imagination and fantasy in these chess games.

And I must add, the real Trace enjoyed reading of her dark encounter with the evil and dreaded Bruja We had a good laugh.

And from a programmers view, that 1st game illustrated nicely a problem in TRACE's trapped rook evaluation. She thought her KR was no longer trapped once it arrived on h6. Ooops!

We're both very much looking forward to the sequel now... when Bruja gets her REVENGE! (Cue: wicked witch's cackling laughter)

Wonderful work both of you!

Ross and Tracey

Hi Ross,

I?m really happy you - and especially your wife, too - enjoyed the little story about Bruja and Trace, although Mystic-Trace comes across as little drama queen. At least it might inspire Real-Trace, what source of power can be in mascara and eyelashes .
I hope, Mystic-Trace wont be too much off her trolley in the second part of the ladies? fight .

Morover it?s great, that my trip to the realm of fantasia showed up one detail of Trace?s evaluation, it would be wonderful if it could help you in detecting one detail to improve.

Hoping to give you a merry laughter again

Uschi

Ross Boyd wrote:Hi,


Thankyou Uschi and Heinz for a splendid read. This is a great idea to involve imagination and fantasy in these chess games.

And I must add, the real Trace enjoyed reading of her dark encounter with the evil and dreaded Bruja We had a good laugh.

And from a programmers view, that 1st game illustrated nicely a problem in TRACE's trapped rook evaluation. She thought her KR was no longer trapped once it arrived on h6. Ooops!

I do not understand what is the problem.
The rook was never trapped during the game and I do not understand what trapped rook evaluation you mean.

I have no trapped rook evaluation but I think that if not all the squares that the rook can go are controlled by enemy pieces the rook is not trapped.

Uri

I do not understand what is the problem.
The rook was never trapped during the game and I do not understand what trapped rook evaluation you mean.

I have no trapped rook evaluation but I think that if not all the squares that the rook can go are controlled by enemy pieces the rook is not trapped.

Hi Uri,

In Trace's eval with the BK on F8 and the BR on H8 or H7, it is scored as a trapped rook... ie. limited mobility... when the rook made it to H6 the penalty was removed.

Given a choice, I think your approach is better, although I also penalise rooks with low lateral movement regardless of their position on the board.

Ps. Its 6am in the morning, we've been up all night becasue our Labrador has given birth to 7 pups. We think another one is about to arrive, so make that 8.

Cheers,

Ross

Ps. Its 6am in the morning, we've been up all night becasue our Labrador has given birth to 7 pups. We think another one is about to arrive, so make that 8.

No, make that 11 !!

Ross

11 ?
Oh dear, that?s really awesome!

Many congratulations to the brave mommy and a huge cup of hot coffee for the obstetricians .

I wish you much pleasure with your new family members .

Uschi