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Announced here :

http://www.schachcomputer.info/forum/sh ... php?t=2209

Olivier

Thanks Oliver,I hope to be evil enough in terms of playing strength

Don't hope for it, doc, knights are good and noble persons

Yeah,but let's hope this knight is from the dark side

Olivier Deville wrote:Announced here :

http://www.schachcomputer.info/forum/sh ... php?t=2209

Olivier

A pity it was a time limited compilation and does't work now anymore after 3 months.

'Sorry. This version has timed out...'

Guenther

Guenther Simon wrote:

Olivier Deville wrote:Announced here :

http://www.schachcomputer.info/forum/sh ... php?t=2209

Olivier

A pity it was a time limited compilation and does't work now anymore after 3 months.

'Sorry. This version has timed out...'

Guenther

Hi Guenther

Yes, a pity

Perhaps somebody can try to post something at the german forum, so that the author will react and provide us with a working version ?

Olivier

The time limitation has been taken out, feel free to download the engine again

Olivier

Roughly how strong is EvilKnight III?

Graham Banks wrote:Roughly how strong is EvilKnight III?

Hi Graham

Around 1000 Elo maybe.

Olivier

Olivier Deville wrote:

Graham Banks wrote:Roughly how strong is EvilKnight III?

Hi Graham

Around 1000 Elo maybe.

Olivier

Thanks Olivier.

Olivier Deville wrote:The time limitation has been taken out, feel free to download the engine again

Olivier

That is fine Olivier. It is bad idea though that it is renamed to another version implying
it would be different and newer. The author already tricked Leo, who announced it as
a new version... May be someone can tell the author how bad the idea is?

Guenther

Guenther Simon wrote:

Olivier Deville wrote:The time limitation has been taken out, feel free to download the engine again

Olivier

That is fine Olivier. It is bad idea though that it is renamed to another version implying
it would be different and newer. The author already tricked Leo, who announced it as
a new version... May be someone can tell the author how bad the idea is?

Guenther

I announced it as a new version on my forum before Leo listed it. I decided to call it a new version based on searching through the previous and current executables for strings and finding:

last version:
"EvilKnight III - Jan 4 2009 - 16:27:07"
"id name EvilKnight III - Jan 4 2009 - 16:27:07"
"EvilKnight III - Jan 4 2009 - 16:27:07 (32 Bit) by Ulf Bierkaemper"

current version:
"EvilKnight III - Apr 12 2009 - 13:19:11"
"id name EvilKnight III - Apr 12 2009 - 13:19:11"
"EvilKnight III - Apr 12 2009 - 13:19:11 (32 Bit) by Ulf Bierkaemper"

It seems that the author has automated the version number to be the compile date and time. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't think the purpose was to trick us. He removed the time limitation code and, when compiled, the version number was automatically updated. I'm still calling it a new version.

Ron

Ron Murawski wrote:

Guenther Simon wrote:

Olivier Deville wrote:The time limitation has been taken out, feel free to download the engine again

Olivier

That is fine Olivier. It is bad idea though that it is renamed to another version implying
it would be different and newer. The author already tricked Leo, who announced it as
a new version... May be someone can tell the author how bad the idea is?

Guenther

I announced it as a new version on my forum before Leo listed it. I decided to call it a new version based on searching through the previous and current executables for strings and finding:

last version:
"EvilKnight III - Jan 4 2009 - 16:27:07"
"id name EvilKnight III - Jan 4 2009 - 16:27:07"
"EvilKnight III - Jan 4 2009 - 16:27:07 (32 Bit) by Ulf Bierkaemper"

current version:
"EvilKnight III - Apr 12 2009 - 13:19:11"
"id name EvilKnight III - Apr 12 2009 - 13:19:11"
"EvilKnight III - Apr 12 2009 - 13:19:11 (32 Bit) by Ulf Bierkaemper"

It seems that the author has automated the version number to be the compile date and time. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't think the purpose was to trick us. He removed the time limitation code and, when compiled, the version number was automatically updated. I'm still calling it a new version.

Ron

Hi Ron,

Of course it was not really the prupose to 'trick' someone. But the effect of the different number/timestamp versioning is the same,
at least for all testers, who now must care how to combine two identically playing programs.

Guenther

Guenther Simon wrote:
Of course it was not really the prupose to 'trick' someone. But the effect of the different number/timestamp versioning is the same,
at least for all testers, who now must care how to combine two identically playing programs.

Hi Guenther,

There is only one playing program. The first one doesn't play anymore.

For me it's also noplaying program. I lost time for testing a program that have a time limitation; this was indicate nowhere! I'll never test any other program by this autor.

Regards,
Patrick

Patrick Buchmann wrote:I'll never test any other program by this autor.

Regards,
Patrick

Never say never Patrick.

Graham Banks wrote:
Never say never Patrick.

Hi Graham,

In french: "je suis têtu comme une mule"

In this tread in Schachcomputer http://www.schachcomputer.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2209 there was never mention of a time limitation. And there are a many messages by the author.

Regards,
Patrick

Hi guys,

first, sorry for that time limitation, sorry for the automated versioning, sorry for not indicating the timeout, sorry for that some people now never more want to have something to do with me. Sorry, that I'm born.

I asked some friends in my german board to make some simple tests, if that engine runs on there machines. Nothing more. If thousands of people play around with ek3, nice, thanks for watching.

But I never asked the world to test ek3 for me. So what? Delete it if you want, it's ok. But please, don't make a mock of me.

But thanks a lot to the people who gave some fair comments. That's worth the trouble.

Regards,

Ulf B. (The "author" of EK3)

All the best with your engine Ulf. Don't get discouraged by the odd negative comment.

Cheers, Graham.

bierkaemper wrote:Hi guys,

first, sorry for that time limitation, sorry for the automated versioning, sorry for not indicating the timeout, sorry for that some people now never more want to have something to do with me. Sorry, that I'm born.

I asked some friends in my german board to make some simple tests, if that engine runs on there machines. Nothing more. If thousands of people play around with ek3, nice, thanks for watching.

But I never asked the world to test ek3 for me. So what? Delete it if you want, it's ok. But please, don't make a mock of me.

But thanks a lot to the people who gave some fair comments. That's worth the trouble.

Regards,

Ulf B. (The "author" of EK3)

Neither Rome nor Rybka was raised in a day.

Consider those making negative comments as free workers for you. They may phrase their results badly, but they still find things for you that you did not find in your initial testing. I guess that 90% of programmers will have a very hard time to make a working chess engine. Even a move generator is a nice achievement.

So don't become offended when someone's tone is bad. Sometimes, we only perceive it that way also.

bierkaemper wrote:Hi guys,

first, sorry for that time limitation, sorry for the automated versioning, sorry for not indicating the timeout, sorry for that some people now never more want to have something to do with me. Sorry, that I'm born.

I asked some friends in my german board to make some simple tests, if that engine runs on there machines. Nothing more. If thousands of people play around with ek3, nice, thanks for watching.

But I never asked the world to test ek3 for me. So what? Delete it if you want, it's ok. But please, don't make a mock of me.

But thanks a lot to the people who gave some fair comments. That's worth the trouble.

Regards,

Ulf B. (The "author" of EK3)

Hi Ulf

Many thanks for your post. And thanks for making your engine available to the world, even though this was not intended

EvilKnight is playing in my Promo tourney that is just started. You can even watch the games live and chat with other authors/testers. Pay us a visit when you have some spare time

Olivier