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New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Alex Guerrero » 21 Aug 2008, 20:10

I decided to do available WinMan (Winboard Manager).

http://es.geocities.com/winboard_chess/

Characteristics:
-Engine Manager for winboard.ini.
-Board design. Winboard X and F maybe need it.
-Tournament Manager (RoundRobin and Gauntlet).
-WinMan installs Uci engines.
-You must copy WinMan and its files to folder winboard.
-WinMan works with winboard.ini in format:
"Name" /fcp="Engine.exe" /fd="Path" or
"Engine.exe" /fd="Path"

Test it with a copy of your winboard.ini.

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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Richard Allbert » 21 Aug 2008, 21:49

Very nice, I look forward to trying it.

One problem / request, though.

I have written a tourmanet creator myself - uses a text file with the settings, the main reason being that I can run as many successive engines I want as gauntlet engines.

E.g I want to play a Gauntlet vs the same 5 oppenents with four test versions of my engine, without running the tournaments one at a time - all four versions run each gauntlet one after the other.

Is it possible to add the "multiple gauntlet engine" feature to you software?

Thanks

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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Alex Guerrero » 21 Aug 2008, 23:26

Very interesting... but difficult. I will see it... but why you want not gauntlets one at a time?
I understand as a tournament and after other automaticly.
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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Richard Allbert » 22 Aug 2008, 17:38

Alex Guerrero wrote:Very interesting... but difficult. I will see it... but why you want not gauntlets one at a time?
I understand as a tournament and after other automaticly.


Because if I have five test verions that have to run the same gauntlet of 300 games each, I would rather leave the computer running all five tournaments together, as opposed to checking every morning and night whether the tournament has finished. :D

Basically, it's about time saving.

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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby H.G.Muller » 22 Aug 2008, 18:25

But you don't really care about the order of the games, do you?
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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Richard Allbert » 22 Aug 2008, 20:51

No, quite right, am I missing something stupid?

I want to play

v1 vs 5 opp in 30 Noomen positions as white and black(60 games vs each opp)
v2 vs 5 opp in 30 Noomen positions as white and black(60 games vs each opp)
v3 vs 5 opp in 30 Noomen positions as white and black(60 games vs each opp)
v4 vs 5 opp in 30 Noomen positions as white and black(60 games vs each opp)

etc etc.... (of course I add these games to a RR btween the 5 opponents as white and balck from the starting position to make the elo calc something near accurate :wink: )

I have a self written batch file writer which will take my gauntlet engines and opponents (regardless how many of each) and create the above tournament for WB.

This is just to allow mass testing of variants on one computer.

Hence the request with a much better looking TM :)

Unless I am missing an easier way...

Richard

PS Thanks for you work updating winboard. :D :D
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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Marc Lacrosse » 23 Aug 2008, 08:22

Richard Allbert wrote:
Is it possible to add the "multiple gauntlet engine" feature to you software?



This "multiple gauntlet" feature is what is commonly called "Scheveningen" mode tournament : there are two "teams" and every member of one team plays a match against each member of the other team.

This a very useful mode, not only for comparing several versions of the same program against a common set of opponents but also for comparing opening books.

Unfortunately no curently available tournament manager I know of does offer this feature.

So I wrote my own (running under windows) for UCI engines playing through WbX+Polyglot.

It a derivative of the tournament preprocessor that I have put for free on my website at http://chessbazaar.mlweb.info.

If you wish I may package this version for you.

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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Matthias Gemuh » 23 Aug 2008, 10:24

Marc Lacrosse wrote:
This "multiple gauntlet" feature is what is commonly called "Scheveningen" mode tournament : there are two "teams" and every member of one team plays a match against each member of the other team.

This a very useful mode, not only for comparing several versions of the same program against a common set of opponents but also for comparing opening books.

Unfortunately no curently available tournament manager I know of does offer this feature.

Marc



ChessGUI has a team fight mode.

Matthias.
http://www.chessgui.com
http://w2410tmq9.homepage.t-online.de
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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Alex Guerrero » 23 Aug 2008, 14:56

I did other little program called "Match" with starting positions for Winboard-F.
If you wish get it here is link:

http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3224139640.html

It is useful for faster games.
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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Richard Allbert » 23 Aug 2008, 21:40

Hi Matthias,

Thanks for the notification - I didn't think of that option!

Great work, btw, on CHessGUI.

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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Richard Allbert » 23 Aug 2008, 21:41

Thanks for the link, I've done almost exactly the same myself :)

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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Richard Allbert » 23 Aug 2008, 21:43

Your fast tournament package is downloading now...

Thanks!


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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Igor Gorelikov » 25 Aug 2008, 13:02

Richard Allbert wrote:Very nice, I look forward to trying it.

One problem / request, though.

I have written a tourmanet creator myself - uses a text file with the settings, the main reason being that I can run as many successive engines I want as gauntlet engines.

E.g I want to play a Gauntlet vs the same 5 oppenents with four test versions of my engine, without running the tournaments one at a time - all four versions run each gauntlet one after the other.

Is it possible to add the "multiple gauntlet engine" feature to you software?

Thanks

Richard
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My IG WBTM 1.5 (0.2 Mb, made in 2006) can play multiple gauntlets.

http://iggor.110mb.com/tools/IG_WBTM_1-5.zip

Best regards,
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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Alex Guerrero » 25 Aug 2008, 23:28

Updated WinMan 1.2b
- Problems with scrollbars in windows found.
- WinMan reports when files are not found.
- winboard.ini may be in other folder.

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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Sven Schüle » 26 Aug 2008, 09:23

Richard Allbert wrote:(of course I add these games to a RR btween the 5 opponents as white and balck from the starting position to make the elo calc something near accurate :wink: )

Of course! :wink:
Or has there been any doubt on this, by anyone, anywhere? :wink:

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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Olivier Deville » 27 Aug 2008, 16:20

Hola Alex :)

Your tournament manager looks very promising !

I'll certainly give it a go as soon as one of the comps here is idle.

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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Alex Guerrero » 28 Aug 2008, 06:20

Good Luck Olivier !
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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Mathieu » 09 Sep 2008, 22:30

Great tool!

One question : I wanted to add a font by editing the board.wbm file.
I added the line "<font>=<charset>" but if the font is well included in the list,
the "charset" remains the usual "pnbrqkomvtwl" that doesn't fit my needs (so I need to edit - a bit anoying since I often change when i play variants with fairy pieces).
Is there a way to automatically assign a chosen char set for a given font?
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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Alex Guerrero » 10 Sep 2008, 14:06

Hi Mathieu, you are right.
I did available WinMan 1.2c which solve this problem.

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Re: New Winboard Manager (WinMan).

Postby Mathieu » 10 Sep 2008, 19:36

Quite reactive!

Unfortunately, that new version doesn't work on my computer. When I launch WinMan.exe, I get :
"Acces violation at adress 7C922C16 in module 'ntdll'. Write of adress 00404C4D"

EDIT : wrong description => error only when I click on the Board design menu.
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