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by **Mogens Larsen** » 26 Jan 2000, 16:40

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Mogens Larsen am 26 Januar 2000 16:40:16:
Does anyone know more about the chessengine SOS? I played it against CometB12 which it defeated easily 3-1 in a four match test (40/40).
Best wishes..
Mogens
PS: Good to see the development of the winboard pages.

by **Kurt Utzinger** » 26 Jan 2000, 22:58

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Kurt Utzinger am 26 Januar 2000 22:58:47:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: SOS? geschrieben von:/posted by: Mogens Larsen am 26 Januar 2000 16:40:16:
Please have a look at http://www.in-trier.de/~quisinsky/schac ... es/sos.htm

by **Mogens Larsen** » 27 Jan 2000, 00:44

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Mogens Larsen am 27 Januar 2000 00:44:30:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: SOS? geschrieben von:/posted by: Kurt Utzinger am 26 Januar 2000 22:58:47:

Please have a look at http://www.in-trier.de/~quisinsky/schac ... es/sos.htm

I already did that, but the info isn't that comprehensive. I was fishing for experiences regarding its playing strength, because I wanted to include it in one of my future tournaments.
Best wishes..
Mogens

by **Aaron** » 27 Jan 2000, 05:21

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Aaron am 27 Januar 2000 05:21:17:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: SOS? geschrieben von:/posted by: Mogens Larsen am 27 Januar 2000 00:44:30:

Please have a look at http://www.in-trier.de/~quisinsky/schac ... es/sos.htm
I already did that, but the info isn't that comprehensive. I was fishing for experiences regarding its playing strength, because I wanted to include it in one of my future tournaments.
Best wishes..
Mogens

Unfortunately I can't get SOS to work, someone mentioned that you require a
lot of memory to get it to work and I only have 64 Mb..
But looking at some results, SOS is probably one of the better winboard programs up there with Amnon,Phalanx,Light Goliath etc

by **Gabor Szots** » 27 Jan 2000, 08:03

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Gabor Szots am 27 Januar 2000 08:03:12:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: SOS? geschrieben von:/posted by: Aaron am 27 Januar 2000 05:21:17:

Please have a look at http://www.in-trier.de/~quisinsky/schac ... es/sos.htm
I already did that, but the info isn't that comprehensive. I was fishing for experiences regarding its playing strength, because I wanted to include it in one of my future tournaments.
Best wishes..
Mogens
Unfortunately I can't get SOS to work, someone mentioned that you require a
lot of memory to get it to work and I only have 64 Mb..
But looking at some results, SOS is probably one of the better winboard programs up there with Amnon,Phalanx,Light Goliath etc

Hi,
It is true you can't make SOS play against another engine on a machine with only 32 MB, since SOS itself uses 20 MB for hash tables. The problem seems to be with Windows which reserves a lot of memory. I think 64 MB will do if you play against SOS yourself. With two machines, try to configure the other machine's hash size so that the memory suffices (for example, choose 16 MB). I currently have 96 MB RAM, and when I make them play one another with hash sizes of about 24 MB, there remains less than 20 MB free. No wonder that 64 MB seems to be small. When I had 32 MB RAM, I could not use hash sizes above 4 MB! To be able to run SOS was the very reason why I extended my RAM with an additional 64 MB.
There are programs which can free up memory (like a defragmenter) and show what is available. Perhaps such a program would also help.
Best wishes,
Gabor

by **Mogens Larsen** » 27 Jan 2000, 12:40

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Mogens Larsen am 27 Januar 2000 12:40:47:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: SOS? geschrieben von:/posted by: Aaron am 27 Januar 2000 05:21:17:

Unfortunately I can't get SOS to work, someone mentioned that you require a
lot of memory to get it to work and I only have 64 Mb..
But looking at some results, SOS is probably one of the better winboard programs up there with Amnon,Phalanx,Light Goliath etc

I have 64Mb as well and it works fine. If the other program is below 20Mb for hash it should work smoothly. You're right about the playing strength of SOS. I played two long games against Crafty17.6, which it drew.
Best wishes...
Mogens

by **Volker Pittlik** » 27 Jan 2000, 19:54

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Volker Pittlik am 27 Januar 2000 19:54:08:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: SOS? geschrieben von:/posted by: Mogens Larsen am 27 Januar 2000 00:44:30:

I already did that, but the info isn't that comprehensive. I was fishing for experiences regarding its playing strength, because I wanted to include it in one of my future tournaments.
Best wishes..
Mogens

I have played 30 games with SOS and Crafty16.19 some months ago. Time control was 40 moves in 60 minutes. Hardware was PIII 450 MHz. Ponder was off. Result:

No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games %
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Wcrafty1619 +12 =8 -10 *0 16.0 30 53.3%
2 sos +10 =8 -12 *0 14.0 30 46.7%
Total Games: 30
White Wins: 11 (36.7%)
Black Wins: 11 (36.7%)
Draws: 8 (26.7%)
Unfinished: 0 (0.0%)

I have saved all games. If you are would like to have the PGN-file, please let me know.
Best wishes
Volker

by **Mogens** » 27 Jan 2000, 19:59

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Mogens am 27 Januar 2000 19:59:14:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: SOS? geschrieben von:/posted by: Volker Pittlik am 27 Januar 2000 19:54:08:

I already did that, but the info isn't that comprehensive. I was fishing for experiences regarding its playing strength, because I wanted to include it in one of my future tournaments.
Best wishes..
Mogens
I have played 30 games with SOS and Crafty16.19 some months ago. Time control was 40 moves in 60 minutes. Hardware was PIII 450 MHz. Ponder was off. Result:

No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games %
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Wcrafty1619 +12 =8 -10 *0 16.0 30 53.3%
2 sos +10 =8 -12 *0 14.0 30 46.7%
Total Games: 30
White Wins: 11 (36.7%)
Black Wins: 11 (36.7%)
Draws: 8 (26.7%)
Unfinished: 0 (0.0%)

I have saved all games. If you are would like to have the PGN-file, please let me know.
Best wishes
Volker

That would be a welcome addition to my collection. Is 16.19 stronger than 17.07 because in a test of mine 17.07 lost 4-0 (40mov/10min) against SOS (it might be a coincidence due to few games)?
Best wishes...
Mogens

by **Volker Pittlik** » 27 Jan 2000, 21:23

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Volker Pittlik am 27 Januar 2000 21:23:30:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: SOS? geschrieben von:/posted by: Mogens am 27 Januar 2000 19:59:14:

That would be a welcome addition to my collection. Is 16.19 stronger than 17.07 because in a test of mine 17.07 lost 4-0 (40mov/10min) against SOS (it might be a coincidence due to few games)?
Best wishes...
Mogens

I haven't tested that so far, but I don't believe so. PGN has been send in private mail.
Best wishes
Volker

by **Utzinger Kurt** » 27 Jan 2000, 21:51

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Utzinger Kurt am 27 Januar 2000 21:51:58:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: SOS? geschrieben von:/posted by: Aaron am 27 Januar 2000 05:21:17:
With a PC 64 MB RAM you can use SOS (20 MB hash) against another engine with 16 MB hash without any problems. My second PC, a Cyrix CxM2 233/64 proves that.

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