the next surprise

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 27 April 2000 12:47:43:
I ever thought one surprise is enough for one tournament ( http://f11.parsimony.net/forum16635/messages/3611.htm) PartII just finished:

Results from file d:\winboard\spiele\Buchturnier2(g30).pgn:
No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % SOP
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1 Crafty1710_nb2 +11 =6 -1 *0 14.0 18 77.8% 152.0
2 Gromit_30 +10 =4 -4 *0 12.0 18 66.7% 156.0
3 Crafty1710_hbc +8 =7 -3 *0 11.5 18 63.9% 157.0
4 Amyf_000420 +8 =3 -7 *0 9.5 18 52.8% 161.0
4 Phalanx22 +9 =1 -8 *0 9.5 18 52.8% 161.0
6 Crafty1710_hb +6 =5 -7 *0 8.5 18 47.2% 163.0
6 SOS_991103 +6 =5 -7 *0 8.5 18 47.2% 163.0
8 AnMon506 +6 =3 -9 *0 7.5 18 41.7% 165.0
9 LG2000V25 +5 =2 -11 *0 6.0 18 33.3% 168.0
10 Bringer16 +2 =2 -14 *0 3.0 18 16.7% 174.0
Total Games: 90
White Wins: 40 (44.4%)
Black Wins: 31 (34.4%)
Draws: 19 (21.1%)
Unfinished: 0 (0.0%)

Congrats to Thorsten Greiner, Frank Schneider, Kai Skibbe and Dann Corbit.
I have no idea so far what to say about this results. PGN will be available soon.
Volker

[Mogens Larsen]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Mogens Larsen at 27 April 2000 13:10:43:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: the next surprise geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 27 April 2000 12:47:43:

I ever thought one surprise is enough for one tournament ( http://f11.parsimony.net/forum16635/messages/3611.htm) PartII just finished:

Results from file d:\winboard\spiele\Buchturnier2(g30).pgn:
No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % SOP
-----------------------------------------------------------------
1 Crafty1710_nb2 +11 =6 -1 *0 14.0 18 77.8% 152.0
2 Gromit_30 +10 =4 -4 *0 12.0 18 66.7% 156.0
3 Crafty1710_hbc +8 =7 -3 *0 11.5 18 63.9% 157.0
4 Amyf_000420 +8 =3 -7 *0 9.5 18 52.8% 161.0
4 Phalanx22 +9 =1 -8 *0 9.5 18 52.8% 161.0
6 Crafty1710_hb +6 =5 -7 *0 8.5 18 47.2% 163.0
6 SOS_991103 +6 =5 -7 *0 8.5 18 47.2% 163.0
8 AnMon506 +6 =3 -9 *0 7.5 18 41.7% 165.0
9 LG2000V25 +5 =2 -11 *0 6.0 18 33.3% 168.0
10 Bringer16 +2 =2 -14 *0 3.0 18 16.7% 174.0
Total Games: 90
White Wins: 40 (44.4%)
Black Wins: 31 (34.4%)
Draws: 19 (21.1%)
Unfinished: 0 (0.0%)

Congrats to Thorsten Greiner, Frank Schneider, Kai Skibbe and Dann Corbit.
I have no idea so far what to say about this results. PGN will be available soon.
Volker

Very impressive performance by Amy and Gromit. The Little Goliath result is very disappointing, but the inclusion of three Crafty setups skew the results too much I think. So any interpretation should be made very carefully. In my ongoing 40/40 match between Amy and LG2000, Amy leads by 5.5 to 4.5 so far. It's not directly comparable, since I use my own Amy book and learn file. But it doesn't reduce the apparent strength of Amy.
Best wishes...
Mogens

[Gabor Szots]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Gabor Szots at 27 April 2000 13:46:15:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: the next surprise geschrieben von: / posted by: Mogens Larsen at 27 April 2000 13:10:43:

I ever thought one surprise is enough for one tournament ( http://f11.parsimony.net/forum16635/messages/3611.htm) PartII just finished:

Results from file d:\winboard\spiele\Buchturnier2(g30).pgn:
No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % SOP
-----------------------------------------------------------------
1 Crafty1710_nb2 +11 =6 -1 *0 14.0 18 77.8% 152.0
2 Gromit_30 +10 =4 -4 *0 12.0 18 66.7% 156.0
3 Crafty1710_hbc +8 =7 -3 *0 11.5 18 63.9% 157.0
4 Amyf_000420 +8 =3 -7 *0 9.5 18 52.8% 161.0
4 Phalanx22 +9 =1 -8 *0 9.5 18 52.8% 161.0
6 Crafty1710_hb +6 =5 -7 *0 8.5 18 47.2% 163.0
6 SOS_991103 +6 =5 -7 *0 8.5 18 47.2% 163.0
8 AnMon506 +6 =3 -9 *0 7.5 18 41.7% 165.0
9 LG2000V25 +5 =2 -11 *0 6.0 18 33.3% 168.0
10 Bringer16 +2 =2 -14 *0 3.0 18 16.7% 174.0
Total Games: 90
White Wins: 40 (44.4%)
Black Wins: 31 (34.4%)
Draws: 19 (21.1%)
Unfinished: 0 (0.0%)

Congrats to Thorsten Greiner, Frank Schneider, Kai Skibbe and Dann Corbit.
I have no idea so far what to say about this results. PGN will be available soon.
Volker

Very impressive performance by Amy and Gromit. The Little Goliath result is very disappointing, but the inclusion of three Crafty setups skew the results too much I think. So any interpretation should be made very carefully. In my ongoing 40/40 match between Amy and LG2000, Amy leads by 5.5 to 4.5 so far. It's not directly comparable, since I use my own Amy book and learn file. But it doesn't reduce the apparent strength of Amy.
Best wishes...
Mogens

I agree. Imagine a tournament with three Kasparovs. How much chance would the others have?
BTW, how do you make Amy learn?
Best regards,
Gábor

[Thorsten Greiner]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Thorsten Greiner at 27 April 2000 14:10:15:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: the next surprise geschrieben von: / posted by: Gabor Szots at 27 April 2000 13:46:15:

BTW, how do you make Amy learn?
Best regards,
Gábor

Gabor, this is not implemented yet. I just chose to name the file this way to wet your appetite. Hope you'll forgive me.
-Thorsten

[Jouni Uski]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Jouni Uski at 27 April 2000 14:15:23:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: the next surprise geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 27 April 2000 12:47:43:

I ever thought one surprise is enough for one tournament ( http://f11.parsimony.net/forum16635/messages/3611.htm) PartII just finished:

Results from file d:\winboard\spiele\Buchturnier2(g30).pgn:
No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games % SOP
-----------------------------------------------------------------
1 Crafty1710_nb2 +11 =6 -1 *0 14.0 18 77.8% 152.0
2 Gromit_30 +10 =4 -4 *0 12.0 18 66.7% 156.0
3 Crafty1710_hbc +8 =7 -3 *0 11.5 18 63.9% 157.0
4 Amyf_000420 +8 =3 -7 *0 9.5 18 52.8% 161.0
4 Phalanx22 +9 =1 -8 *0 9.5 18 52.8% 161.0
6 Crafty1710_hb +6 =5 -7 *0 8.5 18 47.2% 163.0
6 SOS_991103 +6 =5 -7 *0 8.5 18 47.2% 163.0
8 AnMon506 +6 =3 -9 *0 7.5 18 41.7% 165.0
9 LG2000V25 +5 =2 -11 *0 6.0 18 33.3% 168.0
10 Bringer16 +2 =2 -14 *0 3.0 18 16.7% 174.0
Total Games: 90
White Wins: 40 (44.4%)
Black Wins: 31 (34.4%)
Draws: 19 (21.1%)
Unfinished: 0 (0.0%)

Congrats to Thorsten Greiner, Frank Schneider, Kai Skibbe and Dann Corbit.
I have no idea so far what to say about this results. PGN will be available soon.
Volker

With only 18 games You can't draw any conclusion! In elo that means 200-300
point error margin...

[Gabor Szots]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Gabor Szots at 27 April 2000 14:40:53:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: the next surprise geschrieben von: / posted by: Thorsten Greiner at 27 April 2000 14:10:15:

[Mogens Larsen]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Mogens Larsen at 27 April 2000 15:36:29:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: the next surprise geschrieben von: / posted by: Gabor Szots at 27 April 2000 13:46:15:

I agree. Imagine a tournament with three Kasparovs. How much chance would the others have?
BTW, how do you make Amy learn?

It's not a real learn file as Thorsten explained, but you can make it avoid certain moves in the book (the Preferences file).
Best wishes...
Mogens

[Mogens Larsen]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Mogens Larsen at 27 April 2000 15:46:18:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: the next surprise geschrieben von: / posted by: Thorsten Greiner at 27 April 2000 14:10:15:

BTW, how do you make Amy learn?
Best regards,
Gábor

Gabor, this is not implemented yet. I just chose to name the file this way to wet your appetite. Hope you'll forgive me.
-Thorsten

A resign option would be nice to ).
Best wishes...
Mogens

[Gabor Szots]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Gabor Szots at 28 April 2000 07:39:15:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: the next surprise geschrieben von: / posted by: Mogens Larsen at 27 April 2000 15:46:18:

A resign option would be nice to ).
Best wishes...
Mogens

Oh, yeah!