RWBC Open Class rd9 top games Live in around 1/2 an hour

[Günther Simon]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Günther Simon at 26 April 2004 18:25:43:

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[Günther Simon]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Günther Simon at 26 April 2004 19:13:10:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: RWBC Open Class rd9 top games Live in around 1/2 an hour geschrieben von:/posted by: Günther Simon at 26 April 2004 18:25:43:

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after White 22:

[Fabien Letouzey]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Fabien Letouzey at 26 April 2004 19:20:40:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Fruit vs. Zappa running geschrieben von:/posted by: G�nther Simon at 26 April 2004 19:13:10:

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after White 22:

Can I resign?
Fabien.

[Günther Simon]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Günther Simon at 26 April 2004 20:13:02:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Fruit vs. Zappa running geschrieben von:/posted by: Fabien Letouzey at 26 April 2004 19:20:40:

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after White 22:

Can I resign?
Fabien.

Final result was a draw, but it seems Fruit missed a win
in the rook endgame...
Best regards,
Günther

[Matthias Gemuh]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Matthias Gemuh at 26 April 2004 20:34:36:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Fruit vs. Zappa running geschrieben von:/posted by: Fabien Letouzey at 26 April 2004 19:20:40:

Can I resign?
Fabien.

Yes, you can , but Fruit will continue to a draw !
/Matthias.


BigLion + Taktix

[Anthony Cozzie]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Anthony Cozzie at 26 April 2004 21:37:46:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Fruit vs. Zappa running geschrieben von:/posted by: Günther Simon at 26 April 2004 20:13:02:

IP: 80.145.243.93
Port: 17077

after White 22:

Can I resign?
Fabien.

Final result was a draw, but it seems Fruit missed a win
in the rook endgame...
Best regards,
Günther

Can you post the game?
anthony

[Günther Simon]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Günther Simon at 26 April 2004 21:51:22:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Fruit vs. Zappa running geschrieben von:/posted by: Anthony Cozzie at 26 April 2004 21:37:46:

IP: 80.145.243.93
Port: 17077

after White 22:

Can I resign?
Fabien.

Final result was a draw, but it seems Fruit missed a win
in the rook endgame...
Best regards,
Günther

Can you post the game?
anthony

Yes
[Event "RWBC_OpenClass4"]
[Site "ESPRESSO"]
[Date "2004.04.26"]
[Round "9"]
[Number "329"]
[White "Fruit_10"]
[Black "Zappa_070X"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[TimeControl "40/900"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Nc6 4. d3 Na5 5. Nge2 Nxc4 6. dxc4 Bc5 7. O-O
O-O 8. Bg5 h6 9. Bxf6 Qxf6 10. Nd5 Qd8 11. Qd2 a5 12. Nc1 d6 13. Nb3 c6 14.
Nc3 Be6 15. Nxc5 dxc5 16. Qe3 Bxc4 17. Rfd1 Qe7 18. Na4 Rfd8 19. Qxc5 Qxc5
20. Nxc5 b6 21. Nd7 Be2 22. Rd6 f6 23. f3 Kf7 24. Nxb6 Rxd6 25. Nxa8 Rd2
26. Rc1 Ke7 27. b3 Kd6 28. Kf2 Bc4+ 29. Kg3 Be6 30. Nb6 Kc5 31. Na4+ Kb4
32. c3+ Ka3 33. Nc5 Bf7 34. Nb7 Kxa2 35. Nxa5 Bxb3 36. Ra1+ Kb2 37. Nxb3
Kxb3 38. Ra7 g5 39. Ra6 Rd6 40. Kg4 Kxc3 41. Kh5 Kd4 42. Kxh6 g4 43. Ra4+
Ke3 44. fxg4 Kf4 45. Kh5 Rd4 46. Ra6 Rd6 47. h4 Kxe4 48. g5 fxg5 49. Kxg5
Rd2 50. g4 c5 51. h5 Rh2 52. Kh6 c4 53. g5 Kf5 54. g6 Kg4 55. g7 Rxh5+ 56.
Kg6 Rg5+ 57. Kf7 c3 58. g8=Q Rxg8 59. Kxg8 c2 60. Rc6 c1=R 61. Rxc1 e4 62.
Kf7 Kf3 63. Ke6 Ke2 64. Ke5 e3 65. Kd4 Kd2 66. Rb1 e2 67. Rb2+ Kd1 68. Kd3
e1=N+ 69. Kd4 Kc1 70. Rf2 Nc2+ 71. Kd3 Ne1+ 72. Kc3 Kd1
{Game adjourned} 1/2-1/2

[Anthony Cozzie]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Anthony Cozzie at 26 April 2004 23:14:55:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Fruit vs. Zappa (PGN) geschrieben von:/posted by: Günther Simon at 26 April 2004 21:51:22:

IP: 80.145.243.93
Port: 17077

after White 22:

Can I resign?
Fabien.

Final result was a draw, but it seems Fruit missed a win
in the rook endgame...
Best regards,
Günther

Can you post the game?
anthony

Yes
[Event "RWBC_OpenClass4"]
[Site "ESPRESSO"]
[Date "2004.04.26"]
[Round "9"]
[Number "329"]
[White "Fruit_10"]
[Black "Zappa_070X"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[TimeControl "40/900"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Nc6 4. d3 Na5 5. Nge2 Nxc4 6. dxc4 Bc5 7. O-O
O-O 8. Bg5 h6 9. Bxf6 Qxf6 10. Nd5 Qd8 11. Qd2 a5 12. Nc1 d6 13. Nb3 c6 14.
Nc3 Be6 15. Nxc5 dxc5 16. Qe3 Bxc4 17. Rfd1 Qe7 18. Na4 Rfd8 19. Qxc5 Qxc5
20. Nxc5 b6 21. Nd7 Be2 22. Rd6 f6 23. f3 Kf7 24. Nxb6 Rxd6 25. Nxa8 Rd2
26. Rc1 Ke7 27. b3 Kd6 28. Kf2 Bc4+ 29. Kg3 Be6 30. Nb6 Kc5 31. Na4+ Kb4
32. c3+ Ka3 33. Nc5 Bf7 34. Nb7 Kxa2 35. Nxa5 Bxb3 36. Ra1+ Kb2 37. Nxb3
Kxb3 38. Ra7 g5 39. Ra6 Rd6 40. Kg4 Kxc3 41. Kh5 Kd4 42. Kxh6 g4 43. Ra4+
Ke3 44. fxg4 Kf4 45. Kh5 Rd4 46. Ra6 Rd6 47. h4 Kxe4 48. g5 fxg5 49. Kxg5
Rd2 50. g4 c5 51. h5 Rh2 52. Kh6 c4 53. g5 Kf5 54. g6 Kg4 55. g7 Rxh5+ 56.
Kg6 Rg5+ 57. Kf7 c3 58. g8=Q Rxg8 59. Kxg8 c2 60. Rc6 c1=R 61. Rxc1 e4 62.
Kf7 Kf3 63. Ke6 Ke2 64. Ke5 e3 65. Kd4 Kd2 66. Rb1 e2 67. Rb2+ Kd1 68. Kd3
e1=N+ 69. Kd4 Kc1 70. Rf2 Nc2+ 71. Kd3 Ne1+ 72. Kc3 Kd1
{Game adjourned} 1/2-1/2

It seems Fruit thew the win away with 54. g6 (Rc6! +5 Zappa)
anthony

[Günther Simon]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Günther Simon at 27 April 2004 07:29:45:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: RWBC Open Class rd9 top games Live in around 1/2 an hour geschrieben von:/posted by: Günther Simon at 26 April 2004 18:25:43:

329. #9  Fruit_10              -  Zappa_070X             [ 72] =-=  C28  (r:n) |
330. #9  DanChess_104c         -  Rybka_1532             [ 40] 0-1  B50  (qrb3:qrB4) |
331. #9  Jonny_262             -  BlackBishop_097i       [ 76] 1-0  C99  (q:1) |
332. #9  Bruja_12              -  Eeyore_136             [ 35] 0-1  B70  (b3:rb4) |
333. #9  Booot_32              -  Deuterium_04020512     [ 23] 1-0  D52  (qRn7:qrB4) |
334. #9  Hermann_106           -  Delphil_07f            [ 56] 1-0  E91  (b2:3) |
335. #9  KKFChess_261          -  Snitch_0347            [ 34] 0-1  B35  (4:qB4) |
336. #9  Pulsar_201f           -  Elephant_104           [ 87] 1-0  B00  (rb4:2) |
337. #9  SEE_069               -  Mint_23                [ 38] 1-0  A04  (qn6:qrn3) |
338. #9  Matacz_096            -  Smash_09rc1            [ 49] =-=  C00  (qrn4:qrb2) |
339. #9  TSCP_181NetDC         -  Aice_064               [ 56] 1-0  E73  (b2:1) |
340. #9  Storm_06              -  BremboCE_031           [ 51] 0-1  B00  (:Q) |
341. #9  Tristram_336          -  DChess_102             [ 68] 0-1  E05  (1:Qb1) |
342. #9  Ranita_24             -  Fafis_10               [ 43] 1-0  B07  (Rb4:r2) |
343. #9  ChessRikus_1460       -  Hoplite_211DC          [ 51] 0-1  C55  (rb3:Q2) |
344. #9  Adam_16               -  Rainman_075            [ 70] 1-0  B10  (rbn1:1) |
345. #9  Enigma_113            -  Cecir_30               [ 59] 1-0  C60  (Q2:) |
346. #9  MiniMax               -  Replicant_12arnd       [ 89] 0-1  A06  (:qn1) |
347. #9  Golem_0441            -  Gaia_11                [ 80] =-=  B00  (:) |
Günther

[Fabien Letouzey]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Fabien Letouzey at 27 April 2004 10:43:57:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Fruit vs. Zappa running geschrieben von:/posted by: Matthias Gemuh at 26 April 2004 20:34:36:

Can I resign?
Fabien.

Yes, you can , but Fruit will continue to a draw !
/Matthias.

My chess sucks bigtime then, I thought black could force into a rook vs. knight endgame.
Fabien.

[Fabien Letouzey]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Fabien Letouzey at 27 April 2004 12:57:07:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Fruit vs. Zappa running geschrieben von:/posted by: G�nther Simon at 26 April 2004 19:13:10:

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after White 22:

It is *before* white's 22nd move, right?
The position after Rd6 is quite different.
Don't do that to me again
Fabien.

[Günther Simon]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Günther Simon at 27 April 2004 15:01:14:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: I see now! geschrieben von:/posted by: Fabien Letouzey at 27 April 2004 12:57:07:

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after White 22:

It is *before* white's 22nd move, right?
The position after Rd6 is quite different.
Don't do that to me again
Fabien.

...

Oh well, that really was a typo
Günther

[Andreas Herrmann]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Andreas Herrmann at 27 April 2004 17:17:40:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Broadcast stopped (results so far) geschrieben von:/posted by: Günther Simon at 27 April 2004 07:29:45:

329. #9  Fruit_10              -  Zappa_070X             [ 72] =-=  C28  (r:n) |
Günther

>330. #9  DanChess_104c         -  Rybka_1532             [ 40] 0-1  B50  (qrb3:qrB4) |
>331. #9  Jonny_262             -  BlackBishop_097i       [ 76] 1-0  C99  (q:1) |
>332. #9  Bruja_12              -  Eeyore_136             [ 35] 0-1  B70  (b3:rb4) |
>333. #9  Booot_32              -  Deuterium_04020512     [ 23] 1-0  D52  (qRn7:qrB4) |
>334. #9  Hermann_106           -  Delphil_07f            [ 56] 1-0  E91  (b2:3) |
>335. #9  KKFChess_261          -  Snitch_0347            [ 34] 0-1  B35  (4:qB4) |
>336. #9  Pulsar_201f           -  Elephant_104           [ 87] 1-0  B00  (rb4:2) |
>337. #9  SEE_069               -  Mint_23                [ 38] 1-0  A04  (qn6:qrn3) |
>338. #9  Matacz_096            -  Smash_09rc1            [ 49] =-=  C00  (qrn4:qrb2) |
>339. #9  TSCP_181NetDC         -  Aice_064               [ 56] 1-0  E73  (b2:1) |
>340. #9  Storm_06              -  BremboCE_031           [ 51] 0-1  B00  (:Q) |
>341. #9  Tristram_336          -  DChess_102             [ 68] 0-1  E05  (1:Qb1) |
>342. #9  Ranita_24             -  Fafis_10               [ 43] 1-0  B07  (Rb4:r2) |
>343. #9  ChessRikus_1460       -  Hoplite_211DC          [ 51] 0-1  C55  (rb3:Q2) |
>344. #9  Adam_16               -  Rainman_075            [ 70] 1-0  B10  (rbn1:1) |
>345. #9  Enigma_113            -  Cecir_30               [ 59] 1-0  C60  (Q2:) |
>346. #9  MiniMax               -  Replicant_12arnd       [ 89] 0-1  A06  (:qn1) |
>347. #9  Golem_0441            -  Gaia_11                [ 80] =-=  B00  (:) |
Qxc7 ??
5r2/2R3kp/3PQ1p1/q2B2b1/8/2p4P/5PK1/8 b - - 0 52generated with GenDiag 1.8 (C) 2002 by Andreas Herrmann 



Hi Günther,
i have had a look to the game Jonny-BB. The move 52. .. Qxc7 looks a bit strange, so i have just analyzed this position with BB, but BB wants to play here always Kh6. Ok the game was lost anyway at that time, but i want to know, what the reason for Qxc7 was.
Can you please send me the following files per email?
a) The logfile (from the subfolder "\log")
b) BlackBishop.ini
c) BlackBishop.cfg, if there is one
much thanks in advance
Andreas



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[Günther Simon]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Günther Simon at 27 April 2004 17:31:42:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Broadcast stopped (results so far) geschrieben von:/posted by: Andreas Herrmann at 27 April 2004 17:17:40:

Qxc7 ??
5r2/2R3kp/3PQ1p1/q2B2b1/8/2p4P/5PK1/8 b - - 0 52generated with GenDiag 1.8 (C) 2002 by Andreas Herrmann 

Hi Günther,
i have had a look to the game Jonny-BB. The move 52. .. Qxc7 looks a bit strange, so i have just analyzed this position with BB, but BB wants to play here always Kh6. Ok the game was lost anyway at that time, but i want to know, what the reason for Qxc7 was.
Can you please send me the following files per email?
a) The logfile (from the subfolder "\log")
b) BlackBishop.ini
c) BlackBishop.cfg, if there is one
much thanks in advance
Andreas

Hi Andreas, yes I can send them to you, but I can already tell you
that BB on my fast machine considered Kh6 only for more than 77 sec,
but then it changed to Qxc7 as Kh6 failed even lower than the Q sac
in that lost position. That happened in the 3rd PV line of ply 11.
Best wishes,
Günther

[Andreas Herrmann]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Andreas Herrmann at 27 April 2004 17:40:02:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Broadcast stopped (results so far) geschrieben von:/posted by: Günther Simon at 27 April 2004 17:31:42:

Qxc7 ??
5r2/2R3kp/3PQ1p1/q2B2b1/8/2p4P/5PK1/8 b - - 0 52generated with GenDiag 1.8 (C) 2002 by Andreas Herrmann 

Hi Günther,
i have had a look to the game Jonny-BB. The move 52. .. Qxc7 looks a bit strange, so i have just analyzed this position with BB, but BB wants to play here always Kh6. Ok the game was lost anyway at that time, but i want to know, what the reason for Qxc7 was.
Can you please send me the following files per email?
a) The logfile (from the subfolder "\log")
b) BlackBishop.ini
c) BlackBishop.cfg, if there is one
much thanks in advance
Andreas

Hi Andreas, yes I can send them to you,
but I can already tell you
that BB on my fast machine considered Kh6 only for more than 77 sec,
but then it changed to Qxc7 as Kh6 failed even lower than the Q sac
in that lost position. That happened in the 3rd PV line of ply 11.

that would be nice.

Hmh, here BB doesn't change the first move until ply 12, then i have aborted the analyze. Perhaps i have to use the same settings, than you. So the above files would be very helpful for me, to find out what's going wrong there. Perhaps a bug??
best wishes
Andreas



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[Fabien Letouzey]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Fabien Letouzey at 27 April 2004 17:47:01:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Broadcast stopped (results so far) geschrieben von:/posted by: Andreas Herrmann at 27 April 2004 17:40:02:

Hmh, here BB doesn't change the first move until ply 12, then i have aborted the analyze. Perhaps i have to use the same settings, than you. So the above files would be very helpful for me, to find out what's going wrong there. Perhaps a bug??

First Qxc7 is not a "bad" move, as Kh6 is equally losing.
Second, because the hash table did not start empty at this move of the game, you cannot reproduce the exact same search, right?
Unless you don't use previous results at all, even for move ordering?
Fabien.

[Andreas Herrmann]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Andreas Herrmann at 27 April 2004 19:37:34:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Broadcast stopped (results so far) geschrieben von:/posted by: Günther Simon at 27 April 2004 17:31:42:

Hi Günther,
much thanks for the logfiles. Now with the same settings, i can reproduce the outcome also in ply 11. So all is ok. No bug .
best wishes
Andreas





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[Andreas Herrmann]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Andreas Herrmann at 27 April 2004 19:56:51:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Broadcast stopped (results so far) geschrieben von:/posted by: Fabien Letouzey at 27 April 2004 17:47:01:

Hmh, here BB doesn't change the first move until ply 12, then i have aborted the analyze. Perhaps i have to use the same settings, than you. So the above files would be very helpful for me, to find out what's going wrong there. Perhaps a bug??

First Qxc7 is not a "bad" move, as Kh6 is equally losing.
Second, because the hash table did not start empty at this move of the game, you cannot reproduce the exact same search, right?
Unless you don't use previous results at all, even for move ordering?

That was not the reason for asking for the logfiles.
I have just started chess programming before 7 years, so i'm a newbie in chess programming. Thanks for your hints.
Off course i know your above remarks. And be sure i have also analyzed it with starting a few moves earlier. But i can't reproduce the move Qxc7 with my settings. It needs 10 plys to see a value under -3 with Kh6. And if BB analyzes the position after Qxc7 it shows immediately a score under -4. So i thought, there could be a bug.
And the logfiles were important for me, to reproduce the search some moves before with the same hash, pawn hash values etc. and the same nodes searched in the previous searches. Then the hash tables should be filled similar, and i should get also a similar analyze than happens in the game. If not, it could be something wrong.
But i have got now the logfiles from Günther, and can reproduce the move Qxc7 now in ply 11.

best wishes
Andreas



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