Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (n/t)

[Günther Simon]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Günther Simon at 10 May 2004 22:49:29:

[Günther Simon]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Günther Simon at 10 May 2004 22:55:05:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (n/t) geschrieben von:/posted by: Günther Simon at 10 May 2004 22:49:29:

[Roger Brown]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Roger Brown at 11 May 2004 01:27:39:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (n/t) geschrieben von:/posted by: Günther Simon at 10 May 2004 22:49:29:

Check Peter Skinner's Crafty site for an executable.
Slater Wold also has a compile.
For those who have to have it now.

Later.

[Norm Pollock]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Norm Pollock at 11 May 2004 01:33:34:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Roger Brown at 11 May 2004 01:27:39:

Check Peter Skinner's Crafty site for an executable.
Slater Wold also has a compile.
For those who have to have it now.

Later.

On my machine Dann Corbit's executable has always been the fastest Crafty based on the "bench" command. So I'll wait and hope that he makes an executable.

[Dann Corbit]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Dann Corbit at 11 May 2004 02:52:26:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Norm Pollock at 11 May 2004 01:33:34:

Check Peter Skinner's Crafty site for an executable.
Slater Wold also has a compile.
For those who have to have it now.

Later.

On my machine Dann Corbit's executable has always been the fastest Crafty based on the "bench" command. So I'll wait and hope that he makes an executable.

ftp://cap.connx.com/pub/chess-engines/new-approach/crafty-1913.exe


my ftp site {remove http:// unless you like error messages}

[Norm Pollock]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Norm Pollock at 11 May 2004 03:16:50:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Dann Corbit at 11 May 2004 02:52:26:

Check Peter Skinner's Crafty site for an executable.
Slater Wold also has a compile.
For those who have to have it now.

Later.

On my machine Dann Corbit's executable has always been the fastest Crafty based on the "bench" command. So I'll wait and hope that he makes an executable.

ftp://cap.connx.com/pub/chess-engines/new-approach/crafty-1913.exe

10-Q's to all.
The bench test with the P. Skinner version gave me 756520 nodes per second, while the bench test with the D. Corbit version gave me 826658 nodes per second. So I will continue to use the DC version.

[Roger Brown]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Roger Brown at 11 May 2004 07:04:06:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Norm Pollock at 11 May 2004 03:16:50:

The bench test with the P. Skinner version gave me 756520 nodes per second, while the bench test with the D. Corbit version gave me 826658 nodes per second. So I will continue to use the DC version.

Hello Norm,
Thanks for the heads up. Have you tested the versions Slater Wold compiled?
Later.

[Robert Allgeuer]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Robert Allgeuer at 11 May 2004 09:50:08:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Norm Pollock at 11 May 2004 03:16:50:

Check Peter Skinner's Crafty site for an executable.
Slater Wold also has a compile.
For those who have to have it now.

Later.

On my machine Dann Corbit's executable has always been the fastest Crafty based on the "bench" command. So I'll wait and hope that he makes an executable.

ftp://cap.connx.com/pub/chess-engines/new-approach/crafty-1913.exe

10-Q's to all.
The bench test with the P. Skinner version gave me 756520 nodes per second, while the bench test with the D. Corbit version gave me 826658 nodes per second. So I will continue to use the DC version.

are the two compiles comparable, that is do they have the same options compiled in (DETECTDRAW, FUTILITY etc.)? This might have a bearing on speed as well.
Robert

[Norm Pollock]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Norm Pollock at 11 May 2004 14:29:16:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Roger Brown at 11 May 2004 07:04:06:

The bench test with the P. Skinner version gave me 756520 nodes per second, while the bench test with the D. Corbit version gave me 826658 nodes per second. So I will continue to use the DC version.

Hello Norm,
Thanks for the heads up. Have you tested the versions Slater Wold compiled?
Later.

Roger,
I'm glad you asked that question because I was not planning to check it. It turns out that Slater Wold's compile is faster than even Dan's. Furthermore, it's smp version goes even faster. It still remains to see if it gets move wins in competition.
Here is a summary of nodes per second on "my" machine:
crafty-1913 (DCorbit): 826658
wcrafty (JSkinner): 756520
crafty-19.13sse (SWold): 883934
crafty-19.13smpsse (SWold): 903763
The sse2 version crashed on my machine.

[Bryan Hofmann]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Bryan Hofmann at 11 May 2004 14:47:14:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Robert Allgeuer at 11 May 2004 09:50:08:

Check Peter Skinner's Crafty site for an executable.
Slater Wold also has a compile.
For those who have to have it now.

Later.

On my machine Dann Corbit's executable has always been the fastest Crafty based on the "bench" command. So I'll wait and hope that he makes an executable.

ftp://cap.connx.com/pub/chess-engines/new-approach/crafty-1913.exe

10-Q's to all.
The bench test with the P. Skinner version gave me 756520 nodes per second, while the bench test with the D. Corbit version gave me 826658 nodes per second. So I will continue to use the DC version.

are the two compiles comparable, that is do they have the same options compiled in (DETECTDRAW, FUTILITY etc.)? This might have a bearing on speed as well.
Robert

Peter uses the Intel compiler so if your running on a AMD platform his compile will be slower. As for the switches I do not know but the DETECTDRAW will be slower Hyatt tested this (and I know Dann Loves this switch). As for the FUTILITY switch, you can tell if it has been used in the compile by running the bench mark on a single cpu and looking at the total nodes searched. If you look below you will see that Dann's compile searches more nodes and thus he did not use the FULILITY switch. Another difference between Dann's and Peter's is that Peter adds SMP support in his compile. This slows things down if you are on a single CPU.
For my compile I use the free commandline MS Visual C++ tool kit. I leave out the EPD switch as this causes a performance impact and unless you are testing positions with crafty only it is not needed (Arena can also take the palce of this code). You will not the difference in speed between the 2 compiles below. These bench mark test were run on a AMD XP 3000+, No book files and not .rc file (This also means the default memory settings are used).
Slater's Compile is the fastest of all of these for a AMD. He is using the new 2005 .Net compiler from MS which I belive you have to be on their beta tester list to get.

*My Compile with out EPD Kit
cl /O2 /Ot /G7 /DNT_i386 /DVCINLINE_ASM /DUSE_ASSEMBLY /D_MBCS /DFUTILITY /FD /MT /nologo crafty.c egtb.cpp
unable to open book file [./book.bin].
book is disabled
unable to open book file [./books.bin].
Crafty v19.13
White(1): bench
Running benchmark. . .
......
Total nodes: 83973817
Raw nodes per second: 1217011
Total elapsed time: 69
SMP time-to-ply measurement: 9.275362

*My Compile with EPD Kit
cl /O2 /Ot /G7 /DNT_i386 /DVCINLINE_ASM /DUSE_ASSEMBLY /D_MBCS /DFUTILITY /DEPD /FD /MT /nologo crafty.c egtb.cpp
EPD Kit revision date: 1996.04.21
unable to open book file [./book.bin].
book is disabled
unable to open book file [./books.bin]
Crafty v19.13
White(1): bench
Running benchmark. . .
......
Total nodes: 83973817
Raw nodes per second: 1166303
Total elapsed time: 72
SMP time-to-ply measurement: 8.888889

*Dann's Compile
EPD Kit revision date: 1996.04.21
unable to open book file [./book.bin].
book is disabled
unable to open book file [./books.bin].
Crafty v19.13
White(1): bench
Running benchmark. . .
......
Total nodes: 87625750
Raw nodes per second: 1184131
Total elapsed time: 74
SMP time-to-ply measurement: 8.648649

*PETER's Compile Using Intel 8
CFLAGS = /O3 /G6 /Gr /Ob2 /Qip /Qipo /QaxiW /W0
COPTS = /DFAST /DEGTB6 /MT /DSMP /DCPUS=4 /DNT_INTEREX /DUSE_ASSEMBLY /DVC_INLINE_ASM /DEPD /DFUTILITY
Initializing multiple threads.
System is SMP, not NUMA.
EPD Kit revision date: 1996.04.21
unable to open book file [./book.bin].
book is disabled
unable to open book file [./books.bin]
Crafty v19.13 (1 cpus)
White(1): bench
Running benchmark. . .
......
Total nodes: 83973817
Raw nodes per second: 1076587
Total elapsed time: 78
SMP time-to-ply measurement: 8.205128

*Slater's Compile using Whidbey (.NET 2005)
CFLAGS = /O2 /Ogxtb2 /G7 /arch:SSE /fp:fast /GL
EPD Kit revision date: 1996.04.21
unable to open book file [./book.bin]
book is disabled
unable to open book file [./books.bin
Crafty v19.13
White(1): bench
Running benchmark. . .
......
Total nodes: 83973817
Raw nodes per second: 1253340
Total elapsed time: 67
SMP time-to-ply measurement: 9.552239

[Bryan Hofmann]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Bryan Hofmann at 11 May 2004 15:10:08:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Bryan Hofmann at 11 May 2004 14:47:14:

I just tried Slater's CFLAGS with the free commandline MS C++ compiler that uses the Incremental Linker and got the fastest results...... So anyone can get the Free Crafty source and the Free MS Compiler and taylor it to their system for the fastest crafty. Note if you have a Intel pentium system you can use the SSE2 which should increase your speed.

cl /O2 /Ogxtb2 /G7 /arch:SSE /GL /DNT_i386 /DVCINLINE_ASM /DUSE_ASSEMBLY /D_MBCS /DFUTILITY crafty.c egtb.cpp
unable to open book file [./book.bin].
book is disabled
unable to open book file [./books.bin].
Crafty v19.13
White(1): bench
Running benchmark. . .
......
Total nodes: 83973817
Raw nodes per second: 1272330
Total elapsed time: 66
SMP time-to-ply measurement: 9.696970

*My Compile with out EPD Kit
cl /O2 /Ot /G7 /DNT_i386 /DVCINLINE_ASM /DUSE_ASSEMBLY /D_MBCS /DFUTILITY /FD /MT /nologo crafty.c egtb.cpp
unable to open book file [./book.bin].
book is disabled
unable to open book file [./books.bin].
Crafty v19.13
White(1): bench
Running benchmark. . .
......
Total nodes: 83973817
Raw nodes per second: 1217011
Total elapsed time: 69
SMP time-to-ply measurement: 9.275362

*My Compile with EPD Kit
cl /O2 /Ot /G7 /DNT_i386 /DVCINLINE_ASM /DUSE_ASSEMBLY /D_MBCS /DFUTILITY /DEPD /FD /MT /nologo crafty.c egtb.cpp
EPD Kit revision date: 1996.04.21
unable to open book file [./book.bin].
book is disabled
unable to open book file [./books.bin]
Crafty v19.13
White(1): bench
Running benchmark. . .
......
Total nodes: 83973817
Raw nodes per second: 1166303
Total elapsed time: 72
SMP time-to-ply measurement: 8.888889

*Dann's Compile
EPD Kit revision date: 1996.04.21
unable to open book file [./book.bin].
book is disabled
unable to open book file [./books.bin].
Crafty v19.13
White(1): bench
Running benchmark. . .
......
Total nodes: 87625750
Raw nodes per second: 1184131
Total elapsed time: 74
SMP time-to-ply measurement: 8.648649

*PETER's Compile Using Intel 8
CFLAGS = /O3 /G6 /Gr /Ob2 /Qip /Qipo /QaxiW /W0
COPTS = /DFAST /DEGTB6 /MT /DSMP /DCPUS=4 /DNT_INTEREX /DUSE_ASSEMBLY /DVC_INLINE_ASM /DEPD /DFUTILITY
Initializing multiple threads.
System is SMP, not NUMA.
EPD Kit revision date: 1996.04.21
unable to open book file [./book.bin].
book is disabled
unable to open book file [./books.bin]
Crafty v19.13 (1 cpus)
White(1): bench
Running benchmark. . .
......
Total nodes: 83973817
Raw nodes per second: 1076587
Total elapsed time: 78
SMP time-to-ply measurement: 8.205128

*Slater's Compile using Whidbey (.NET 2005)
CFLAGS = /O2 /Ogxtb2 /G7 /arch:SSE /fp:fast /GL
EPD Kit revision date: 1996.04.21
unable to open book file [./book.bin]
book is disabled
unable to open book file [./books.bin
Crafty v19.13
White(1): bench
Running benchmark. . .
......
Total nodes: 83973817
Raw nodes per second: 1253340
Total elapsed time: 67
SMP time-to-ply measurement: 9.552239

[Mogens Larsen]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Mogens Larsen at 11 May 2004 16:26:14:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Bryan Hofmann at 11 May 2004 15:10:08:

I just tried Slater's CFLAGS with the free commandline MS C++ compiler that uses the Incremental Linker and got the fastest results...... So anyone can get the Free Crafty source and the Free MS Compiler and taylor it to their system for the fastest crafty. Note if you have a Intel pentium system you can use the SSE2 which should increase your speed.

I think there may be something wrong with the Crafty source. None of the public compilations are able to access the tablebases. They find them, but are seemingly unable to use them. Perhaps a bug or two snug in during the alteration of the tablebase specific code.
Regards,
Mogens

[Ómar Skúlason]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Ómar Skúlason at 11. May 2004 18:16:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Roger Brown at 11 May 2004 07:04:06:

The bench test with the P. Skinner version gave me 756520 nodes per second, while the bench test with the D. Corbit version gave me 826658 nodes per second. So I will continue to use the DC version.

Hello Norm,
Thanks for the heads up. Have you tested the versions Slater Wold compiled?
Later.

Hi Roger!
Are those Slater Wold versions available somewhere for the publicum?
And don´t forget Mike Byrne wcrafty_p4 version who is very fast on my very slow computer.
Ómar.

[Bryan Hofmann]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Bryan Hofmann at 11 May 2004 18:48:24:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Mogens Larsen at 11 May 2004 16:26:14:

I just tried Slater's CFLAGS with the free commandline MS C++ compiler that uses the Incremental Linker and got the fastest results...... So anyone can get the Free Crafty source and the Free MS Compiler and taylor it to their system for the fastest crafty. Note if you have a Intel pentium system you can use the SSE2 which should increase your speed.

I think there may be something wrong with the Crafty source. None of the public compilations are able to access the tablebases. They find them, but are seemingly unable to use them. Perhaps a bug or two snug in during the alteration of the tablebase specific code.
Regards,
Mogens

Your right, there is a problem.... Both Bob and Eugene are look in to this.

[Leo Dijksman]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Leo Dijksman at 11 May 2004 19:42:47:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Ómar Skúlason at 11. May 2004 18:16:

The bench test with the P. Skinner version gave me 756520 nodes per second, while the bench test with the D. Corbit version gave me 826658 nodes per second. So I will continue to use the DC version.

Hello Norm,
Thanks for the heads up. Have you tested the versions Slater Wold compiled?
Later.

Hi Roger!
Are those Slater Wold versions available somewhere for the publicum?
And don´t forget Mike Byrne wcrafty_p4 version who is very fast on my very slow computer.
Ómar.

Should be here:
ftp.slate.gotdns.org
Best wishes,
Leo.



WBEC Ridderkerk homepage.

[Paul Hunter]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Paul Hunter at 12 May 2004 03:16:35:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Mogens Larsen at 11 May 2004 16:26:14:

I just tried Slater's CFLAGS with the free commandline MS C++ compiler that uses the Incremental Linker and got the fastest results...... So anyone can get the Free Crafty source and the Free MS Compiler and taylor it to their system for the fastest crafty. Note if you have a Intel pentium system you can use the SSE2 which should increase your speed.

I think there may be something wrong with the Crafty source. None of the public compilations are able to access the tablebases. They find them, but are seemingly unable to use them. Perhaps a bug or two snug in during the alteration of the tablebase specific code.
Regards,
Mogens

Where can you get the free MS compiler?

[Paul Hunter]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Paul Hunter at 12 May 2004 03:29:56:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Mogens Larsen at 11 May 2004 16:26:14:

I just tried Slater's CFLAGS with the free commandline MS C++ compiler that uses the Incremental Linker and got the fastest results...... So anyone can get the Free Crafty source and the Free MS Compiler and taylor it to their system for the fastest crafty. Note if you have a Intel pentium system you can use the SSE2 which should increase your speed.

I think there may be something wrong with the Crafty source. None of the public compilations are able to access the tablebases. They find them, but are seemingly unable to use them. Perhaps a bug or two snug in during the alteration of the tablebase specific code.
Regards,
Mogens

Where can you get the free MS compiler?

[Ubaldo Andrea Farina]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Ubaldo Andrea Farina at 12 May 2004 07:13:44:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Paul Hunter at 12 May 2004 03:29:56:

I just tried Slater's CFLAGS with the free commandline MS C++ compiler that uses the Incremental Linker and got the fastest results...... So anyone can get the Free Crafty source and the Free MS Compiler and taylor it to their system for the fastest crafty. Note if you have a Intel pentium system you can use the SSE2 which should increase your speed.

I think there may be something wrong with the Crafty source. None of the public compilations are able to access the tablebases. They find them, but are seemingly unable to use them. Perhaps a bug or two snug in during the alteration of the tablebase specific code.
Regards,
Mogens

Where can you get the free MS compiler?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/

[Paul Hunter]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Paul Hunter at 12 May 2004 18:47:32:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Crafty 19.13 (exe) now available at Bob Hyatts site (some text) geschrieben von:/posted by: Ubaldo Andrea Farina at 12 May 2004 07:13:44:

I just tried Slater's CFLAGS with the free commandline MS C++ compiler that uses the Incremental Linker and got the fastest results...... So anyone can get the Free Crafty source and the Free MS Compiler and taylor it to their system for the fastest crafty. Note if you have a Intel pentium system you can use the SSE2 which should increase your speed.

I think there may be something wrong with the Crafty source. None of the public compilations are able to access the tablebases. They find them, but are seemingly unable to use them. Perhaps a bug or two snug in during the alteration of the tablebase specific code.
Regards,
Mogens

Where can you get the free MS compiler?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/

Thanks!!!