Frenzee 157

[Sune Fischer]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Sune Fischer at 15 May 2004 00:54:53:

Hi
I just uploaded a new version.
I don't think it is much stronger though, too many changes and too little testing.
UCI is implemented, works okay in Shredder and Arena, don't know about Fritz.
I think pondering in winboard should be working now, at least it has played a few hundered blitz games with ponder on without problems.
-S.



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[Dann Corbit]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Dann Corbit at 15 May 2004 01:07:17:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Frenzee 157 geschrieben von:/posted by: Sune Fischer at 15 May 2004 00:54:53:

Hi
I just uploaded a new version.
I don't think it is much stronger though, too many changes and too little testing.
UCI is implemented, works okay in Shredder and Arena, don't know about Fritz.
I think pondering in winboard should be working now, at least it has played a few hundered blitz games with ponder on without problems.
-S.

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[Sune Fischer]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Sune Fischer at 15 May 2004 01:18:46:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Frenzee 157 geschrieben von:/posted by: Dann Corbit at 15 May 2004 01:07:17:

Hi
I just uploaded a new version.
I don't think it is much stronger though, too many changes and too little testing.
UCI is implemented, works okay in Shredder and Arena, don't know about Fritz.
I think pondering in winboard should be working now, at least it has played a few hundered blitz games with ponder on without problems.
-S.

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"Geocities", need I say more?
I think there will be a fresh quota tomorrow, I probably used most of
it myself today by uploading and testing that the links worked.
Feel free to mirror the important files if you want and get the chance
-S.

[Telmo Escobar]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Telmo Escobar at 15 May 2004 06:51:58:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Frenzee 157 geschrieben von:/posted by: Sune Fischer at 15 May 2004 00:54:53:

Hi
I just uploaded a new version.
I don't think it is much stronger though, too many changes and too little testing.
UCI is implemented, works okay in Shredder and Arena, don't know about Fritz.

Frenzee 157 works in Fritz, apparently without any problem .
Also the engine looks stronger, although this is only my subjective impression.
Telmo

[Reinhard Scharnagl]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Reinhard Scharnagl at 15. May 2004 08:33:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Frenzee 157 geschrieben von:/posted by: Dann Corbit at 15 May 2004 01:07:17:

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Hello Sune,
may be the above smaller image could help (a very little bit).
I noted your progress at my FRC engines page.
Is it still correct always to mention also Ian Bredahl concerning Frenzee?
Regards, Reinhard.



Arena GUI and FRC enabled Engines

[Sune Fischer]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Sune Fischer at 15 May 2004 11:59:23:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Frenzee 157 geschrieben von:/posted by: Telmo Escobar at 15 May 2004 06:51:58:

Hi
I just uploaded a new version.
I don't think it is much stronger though, too many changes and too little testing.
UCI is implemented, works okay in Shredder and Arena, don't know about Fritz.

Frenzee 157 works in Fritz, apparently without any problem .
Also the engine looks stronger, although this is only my subjective impression.
Telmo

I tried it once a while back, but Fritz was showing strangely low nps and
search depths.
Then I looked at the log and everything seemed normal, I assumed fritz somehow was choking on the communication but since it appeared to work in Arena and Shredder I figured it was Fritz's problem.
Maybe it was just a one time oddity, a quantum fluctuation or something.
Well, as usual everything has been rewritten (when will I stop doing that??) so
some things may be better and some things worse.
-S.

[Sune Fischer]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Sune Fischer at 15 May 2004 15:42:06:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Frenzee 157 geschrieben von:/posted by: Reinhard Scharnagl at 15. May 2004 08:33:

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The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer. Visit our help area for more information."

Hello Sune,
may be the above smaller image could help (a very little bit).
I noted your progress at my FRC engines page.
Is it still correct always to mention also Ian Bredahl concerning Frenzee?
Regards, Reinhard.

I'm afraid Ian has been terribly sidetracked by java, php, sql and lua.
I hope some day he will return to do serious programming.
He has offered to write the book code, so maybe if I push him a little...
He hasn't really contributed to the engine as such, in fact I have difficulties
just explaining to him what goes on
-S.

[Jonathan Kreuzer]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Jonathan Kreuzer at 17 May 2004 05:03:51:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Frenzee 157 geschrieben von:/posted by: Sune Fischer at 15 May 2004 11:59:23:

UCI is implemented, works okay in Shredder and Arena, don't know about Fritz.

Frenzee 157 works in Fritz, apparently without any problem .

I tried it once a while back, but Fritz was showing strangely low nps and
search depths.
Then I looked at the log and everything seemed normal, I assumed fritz somehow was choking on the communication but since it appeared to work in Arena and Shredder I figured it was Fritz's problem.
Maybe it was just a one time oddity, a quantum fluctuation or something.

I also have this (or a similar) GUI/UCI Engine communication problem with the Fritz GUI. It takes a few seconds before Fritz shows any info at all, or any info past depth 3 or 4. The strange thing is some engines work fine (eg. Ktulu, Gothmog, and others), but some have this problem (eg. SlowChess UCI, & I just tested Frenzee, and others.) I'm not sure, but I believe an Engine match still runs okay, I just don't see all the thinking info until after the move.
So if anyone knows how to fix this, I'd like to know =)
(I have the $30 Viva Media Fritz 8 version from EB, but I think that's exactly the same as the chessbase one.)

[Reinhard Scharnagl]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Reinhard Scharnagl at 17. May 2004 10:41:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Frenzee 157 (UCI under Fritz) geschrieben von:/posted by: Jonathan Kreuzer at 17 May 2004 05:03:51:


Frenzee is a Winboard engine - or have I missed something?
Regards, Reinhard.



Arena + FRC

[Reinhard Scharnagl]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Reinhard Scharnagl at 17. May 2004 10:45:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Frenzee 157 geschrieben von:/posted by: Sune Fischer at 15 May 2004 15:42:06:

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The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer. Visit our help area for more information."

Hello Sune,
may be the above smaller image could help (a very little bit).
I noted your progress at my FRC engines page.
Is it still correct always to mention also Ian Bredahl concerning Frenzee?
Regards, Reinhard.

I'm afraid Ian has been terribly sidetracked by java, php, sql and lua.
I hope some day he will return to do serious programming.
He has offered to write the book code, so maybe if I push him a little...
He hasn't really contributed to the engine as such, in fact I have difficulties
just explaining to him what goes on
-S.

Well, I have reduced the mentioned authors at my FRC and Arena Web page to
only you. Please give me a hint, when this would change somehow. Thank you.
Regards, Reinhard.



Arena + FRC

[Sune Fischer]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Sune Fischer at 17 May 2004 16:31:10:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Frenzee 157 (UCI under Fritz) geschrieben von:/posted by: Jonathan Kreuzer at 17 May 2004 05:03:51:

UCI is implemented, works okay in Shredder and Arena, don't know about Fritz.

Frenzee 157 works in Fritz, apparently without any problem .

I tried it once a while back, but Fritz was showing strangely low nps and
search depths.
Then I looked at the log and everything seemed normal, I assumed fritz somehow was choking on the communication but since it appeared to work in Arena and Shredder I figured it was Fritz's problem.
Maybe it was just a one time oddity, a quantum fluctuation or something.

I also have this (or a similar) GUI/UCI Engine communication problem with the Fritz GUI. It takes a few seconds before Fritz shows any info at all, or any info past depth 3 or 4. The strange thing is some engines work fine (eg. Ktulu, Gothmog, and others), but some have this problem (eg. SlowChess UCI, & I just tested Frenzee, and others.) I'm not sure, but I believe an Engine match still runs okay, I just don't see all the thinking info until after the move.
So if anyone knows how to fix this, I'd like to know =)
(I have the $30 Viva Media Fritz 8 version from EB, but I think that's exactly the same as the chessbase one.)

Yep that's exactly what I saw too.
It would be nice to have a communication log from an engine that worked okay
for comparison.
That's the great thing about Arena, you just press F4 to see exactly how the
other engine is doing it
What is perhaps even stranger is that it seems to work fine on some
computers and not on others. Perhaps it is a winXP problem of some kind.
Me too, as it is there's not much to go by.
I don't remember the specifics, only that it was winXP and fritz8 gui.
-S.

[Sune Fischer]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Sune Fischer at 17 May 2004 16:37:09:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Frenzee 157 (UCI ? under Fritz) geschrieben von:/posted by: Reinhard Scharnagl at 17. May 2004 10:41:

Frenzee is a Winboard engine - or have I missed something?
Regards, Reinhard.

It is both, now.
I like UCI for analysis, the engine can display more information e.g.
hashfill, cpuload, selective depth,current line, refutation lines, multi PV,
opening book data, distance to mate etc...
WB has different strengths, ie. FRC support, game state knowledge, learning,
console playable, etc...
-S.

[Jonathan Kreuzer]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Jonathan Kreuzer at 18 May 2004 03:01:44:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Frenzee 157 (UCI under Fritz) geschrieben von:/posted by: Sune Fischer at 17 May 2004 16:31:10:

I don't remember the specifics, only that it was winXP and fritz8 gui.
It would be nice to have a communication log from an engine that worked okay
for comparison.
That's the great thing about Arena, you just press F4 to see exactly how the
other engine is doing it

Same here: WinXP & Fritz8 GUI
I have a guess that it's not anything with the text being sent, but something else with the program (possibly with threads...)
Today I tried opening up the task manager, right-clicking on the slow.exe that was being run by the Fritz GUI, and setting the priority to "Below Normal." After doing this, I saw the info much better than before, almost the same as the working engines. (But it still seemed to start a bit slow, and the NPS was about 5-7% slower than running Slow under any other GUI.) Some day I may try to figure out how to easily fix Slow Chess to work under my Fritz, but I consider this Fritz's problem.

[Sune Fischer]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Sune Fischer at 18 May 2004 10:17:39:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: Frenzee 157 (UCI under Fritz) geschrieben von:/posted by: Jonathan Kreuzer at 18 May 2004 03:01:44:

I don't remember the specifics, only that it was winXP and fritz8 gui.
It would be nice to have a communication log from an engine that worked okay
for comparison.
That's the great thing about Arena, you just press F4 to see exactly how the
other engine is doing it

Same here: WinXP & Fritz8 GUI
I have a guess that it's not anything with the text being sent, but something else with the program (possibly with threads...)
Today I tried opening up the task manager, right-clicking on the slow.exe that was being run by the Fritz GUI, and setting the priority to "Below Normal." After doing this, I saw the info much better than before, almost the same as the working engines. (But it still seemed to start a bit slow, and the NPS was about 5-7% slower than running Slow under any other GUI.) Some day I may try to figure out how to easily fix Slow Chess to work under my Fritz, but I consider this Fritz's problem.

Ah so Fritz usually wants the working thread to run at low priority or the GUI
doesn't get enough priority to update?
That would be a good explanation indeed, I'll see if I can figure out how to
set the priority of the thread lower, perhaps make it a configuration file option.
-S.