A request for players who has a rating

[Niyaz Khasanov]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Niyaz Khasanov at 30 June 2004 17:43:15:

I have a problem.
Ufim 5.00 has weak levels in Winboard mode, but they are not Elo ratings.
They are mere integers from 1 to 50. The strength in each level is independent of hardware and hash size.
However, UCI protocol demands Elo ratings.
I am not a rated player. I do not know which integer corresponds to which Elo.
Maybe someone from Winboarders has a rating?
Could you test Ufim in blitz games (for example, 5min+2sec) and find which
integer corresponds to your rating?
This calibration will be used in the next version
(I do not intend to change the weak levels' strength in future versions).
If there will be more than one tester, it will be even better.
Thank you for advance.

[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 30 June 2004 18:06:59:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: A request for players who has a rating geschrieben von:/posted by: Niyaz Khasanov at 30 June 2004 17:43:15:

I have a problem.
Ufim 5.00 has weak levels in Winboard mode, but they are not Elo ratings.
They are mere integers from 1 to 50. The strength in each level is independent of hardware and hash size.
However, UCI protocol demands Elo ratings.
I am not a rated player. I do not know which integer corresponds to which Elo.
Maybe someone from Winboarders has a rating?
Could you test Ufim in blitz games (for example, 5min+2sec) and find which
integer corresponds to your rating?
This calibration will be used in the next version
(I do not intend to change the weak levels' strength in future versions).
If there will be more than one tester, it will be even better.
Thank you for advance.

I have played with Ufim recently, for example, using GALIS I have put
Ufim 3.00 weak = 20
Ufim 3.01 weak = 18
Ufim 4.00 weak = 16
Ufim 4.02 weak = 14
Ufim 4.04 weak = 12
But games I played were in 10 or 15 min. I have rating at FICS, blitz and standard. If you want I could test it.
It would be good if you put some delay time for your engine in this weaken levels. It plays instantly, and most humans don´t like that.
SL.

[David Dahlem]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: David Dahlem at 30 June 2004 18:55:11:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: A request for players who has a rating geschrieben von:/posted by: Niyaz Khasanov at 30 June 2004 17:43:15:

I have a problem.
Ufim 5.00 has weak levels in Winboard mode, but they are not Elo ratings.
They are mere integers from 1 to 50. The strength in each level is independent of hardware and hash size.
However, UCI protocol demands Elo ratings.
I am not a rated player. I do not know which integer corresponds to which Elo.
Maybe someone from Winboarders has a rating?
Could you test Ufim in blitz games (for example, 5min+2sec) and find which
integer corresponds to your rating?
This calibration will be used in the next version
(I do not intend to change the weak levels' strength in future versions).
If there will be more than one tester, it will be even better.
Thank you for advance.

Why not play matches against engines with a known rating? This could at least give some idea of the ratings of the various strength settings in Ufim. For example, you could use the rating list at Leo's site under the "Ratings" link ...
http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/
Dave

[Slobodan R. Stojanovic]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 30 June 2004 20:47:22:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: A request for players who has a rating geschrieben von:/posted by: David Dahlem at 30 June 2004 18:55:11:

Why not play matches against engines with a known rating? This could at least give some idea of the ratings of the various strength settings in Ufim. For example, you could use the rating list at Leo's site under the "Ratings" link ...
http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/
Dave

I think it is the best idea. I´ll play some matches, and will give you results.
Tell me one thing:
Is for example weak 12 in Ufim 3.00 = weak 12 in Ufim 5.00 ?
SL.

[David Dahlem]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: David Dahlem at 30 June 2004 23:08:07:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: A request for players who has a rating geschrieben von:/posted by: David Dahlem at 30 June 2004 18:55:11:

I have a problem.
Ufim 5.00 has weak levels in Winboard mode, but they are not Elo ratings.
They are mere integers from 1 to 50. The strength in each level is independent of hardware and hash size.
However, UCI protocol demands Elo ratings.
I am not a rated player. I do not know which integer corresponds to which Elo.
Maybe someone from Winboarders has a rating?
Could you test Ufim in blitz games (for example, 5min+2sec) and find which
integer corresponds to your rating?
This calibration will be used in the next version
(I do not intend to change the weak levels' strength in future versions).
If there will be more than one tester, it will be even better.
Thank you for advance.

Why not play matches against engines with a known rating? This could at least give some idea of the ratings of the various strength settings in Ufim. For example, you could use the rating list at Leo's site under the "Ratings" link ...
http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/
Dave

An even quicker method to get a ballpark rating for each strength setting would be to determine the highest and lowest rating by matches against engines of known rating. And them simply do the simple math to determine all the other ratings. For example, if the highest rating was 2400 and the lowest was 1000, then the middle setting would be around 1700.
Regards
Dave

[Pallav Nawani]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Pallav Nawani at 01 July 2004 21:03:41:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: A request for players who has a rating geschrieben von:/posted by: Niyaz Khasanov at 30 June 2004 17:43:15:

I have a problem.
Ufim 5.00 has weak levels in Winboard mode, but they are not Elo ratings.
They are mere integers from 1 to 50. The strength in each level is independent of hardware and hash size.
However, UCI protocol demands Elo ratings.
I am not a rated player. I do not know which integer corresponds to which Elo.
Maybe someone from Winboarders has a rating?
Could you test Ufim in blitz games (for example, 5min+2sec) and find which
integer corresponds to your rating?
This calibration will be used in the next version
(I do not intend to change the weak levels' strength in future versions).
If there will be more than one tester, it will be even better.
Thank you for advance.

Why not get an account on FICS and play some matches there?

[Niyaz Khasanov]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Niyaz Khasanov at 02 July 2004 07:56:05:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: A request for players who has a rating geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 30 June 2004 18:06:59:

I have a problem.
Ufim 5.00 has weak levels in Winboard mode, but they are not Elo ratings.
They are mere integers from 1 to 50. The strength in each level is independent of hardware and hash size.
However, UCI protocol demands Elo ratings.
I am not a rated player. I do not know which integer corresponds to which Elo.
Maybe someone from Winboarders has a rating?
Could you test Ufim in blitz games (for example, 5min+2sec) and find which
integer corresponds to your rating?
This calibration will be used in the next version
(I do not intend to change the weak levels' strength in future versions).
If there will be more than one tester, it will be even better.
Thank you for advance.

I have played with Ufim recently, for example, using GALIS I have put
Ufim 3.00 weak = 20
Ufim 3.01 weak = 18
Ufim 4.00 weak = 16
Ufim 4.02 weak = 14
Ufim 4.04 weak = 12
But games I played were in 10 or 15 min. I have rating at FICS, blitz and standard. If you want I could test it.
It would be good if you put some delay time for your engine in this weaken levels. It plays instantly, and most humans don´t like that.
SL.
OK, I'll add some delay time.

Yes, I want.

[Niyaz Khasanov]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Niyaz Khasanov at 02 July 2004 08:08:39:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: A request for players who has a rating geschrieben von:/posted by: Pallav Nawani at 01 July 2004 21:03:41:

I have a problem.
Ufim 5.00 has weak levels in Winboard mode, but they are not Elo ratings.
They are mere integers from 1 to 50. The strength in each level is independent of hardware and hash size.
However, UCI protocol demands Elo ratings.
I am not a rated player. I do not know which integer corresponds to which Elo.
Maybe someone from Winboarders has a rating?
Could you test Ufim in blitz games (for example, 5min+2sec) and find which
integer corresponds to your rating?
This calibration will be used in the next version
(I do not intend to change the weak levels' strength in future versions).
If there will be more than one tester, it will be even better.
Thank you for advance.

Why not get an account on FICS and play some matches there?

I have no cheap neither high-quality internet connection.
Therefore, I cannot make internet matches with Ufim on my computer.
AFAIK, FICS does not provide its servers for engines. Is it true?

[Niyaz Khasanov]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Niyaz Khasanov at 02 July 2004 08:18:58:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: A request for players who has a rating geschrieben von:/posted by: David Dahlem at 30 June 2004 23:08:07:

I have a problem.
Ufim 5.00 has weak levels in Winboard mode, but they are not Elo ratings.
They are mere integers from 1 to 50. The strength in each level is independent of hardware and hash size.
However, UCI protocol demands Elo ratings.
I am not a rated player. I do not know which integer corresponds to which Elo.
Maybe someone from Winboarders has a rating?
Could you test Ufim in blitz games (for example, 5min+2sec) and find which
integer corresponds to your rating?
This calibration will be used in the next version
(I do not intend to change the weak levels' strength in future versions).
If there will be more than one tester, it will be even better.
Thank you for advance.

Why not play matches against engines with a known rating? This could at least give some idea of the ratings of the various strength settings in Ufim. For example, you could use the rating list at Leo's site under the "Ratings" link ...
http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/
Dave

An even quicker method to get a ballpark rating for each strength setting would be to determine the highest and lowest rating by matches against engines of known rating. And them simply do the simple math to determine all the other ratings. For example, if the highest rating was 2400 and the lowest was 1000, then the middle setting would be around 1700.
Regards
Dave

Thank you for your advise. I thought about it too.
However, in the past some people wrote that comp-comp ratings differ very much from ratings against humans.

[Niyaz Khasanov]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Niyaz Khasanov at 02 July 2004 08:24:02:
Als Antwort auf:/In reply to: Re: A request for players who has a rating geschrieben von:/posted by: Slobodan R. Stojanovic at 30 June 2004 20:47:22:

Why not play matches against engines with a known rating? This could at least give some idea of the ratings of the various strength settings in Ufim. For example, you could use the rating list at Leo's site under the "Ratings" link ...
http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/
Dave

I think it is the best idea. I´ll play some matches, and will give you results.
Tell me one thing:
Is for example weak 12 in Ufim 3.00 = weak 12 in Ufim 5.00 ?
SL.

No, it is not.
With the versions of Ufim, weak levels became stronger and stronger too.
However, from the 5th version I desided to stop increasing the strength of weak levels.