This is a main line in the Scandinavian defense and I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have no idea why it would be out of book at that point.Can anybody tell me why Crafty sometimes plays
(in a comp/comp-match) after 1.e4 the ugly 1...d5?
just to be out of book after 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3
Hi,Hi Kurt,
For the second time I post my excellent crafty.rc for you!
Note the parameter "book width 5" and you'll get your answer about the length of the opening line!
Crafty updates it's opening book after every game and also has a positional learning!
If you have any questions,feel free to ask
Regards,
Dr.Wael Deeb
computer
hash 96M
hashp 12M
cache 4M
drawscore=0
log off
ponder off
book on
book random 1
book width 5
learn 7
resign 5
tbpath=c:\Nalimov
egtb 16M
exit
This is a main line in the Scandinavian defense and I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have no idea why it would be out of book at that point.Can anybody tell me why Crafty sometimes plays
(in a comp/comp-match) after 1.e4 the ugly 1...d5?
just to be out of book after 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3
-Marcus
Hi NormHi,Hi Kurt,
For the second time I post my excellent crafty.rc for you!
Note the parameter "book width 5" and you'll get your answer about the length of the opening line!
Crafty updates it's opening book after every game and also has a positional learning!
If you have any questions,feel free to ask
Regards,
Dr.Wael Deeb
computer
hash 96M
hashp 12M
cache 4M
drawscore=0
log off
ponder off
book on
book random 1
book width 5
learn 7
resign 5
tbpath=c:\Nalimov
egtb 16M
exit
I'm confused. Doesn't "cache 4M" set the egtb cache to 4M?
If that is the case, does "egtb 16M" override?
-Norm
Hi WaelHi Kurt,
For the second time I post my excellent crafty.rc for you!
Note the parameter "book width 5" and you'll get your answer about the length of the opening line!
Crafty updates it's opening book after every game and also has a positional learning!
If you have any questions,feel free to ask
Regards,
Dr.Wael Deeb
computer
hash 96M
hashp 12M
cache 4M
drawscore=0
log off
ponder off
book on
book random 1
book width 5
learn 7
resign 5
tbpath=c:\Nalimov
egtb 16M
exit
I do not know where you got the book.bin or bookc.bin, but using the ones from Hyatt's site it will not play ..d5 as it is marked as questionable (d5?). With the configuration you have it will only consider e5 or c5 using the deafult books from Hyatt's site.Below is my crafty.rc
tbpath=c:\tbs
hash=48M
hashp=12M
cache=4M
xboard
computer
drawscore=0
log off
ponder off
book on
egtb
resign 6
exit
And here the files in the folder C:\Programme\Arena\Engines\Crafty
book.bin
book.c
bookc.bin
books.bin
book.lrn
position.bin
position.lrn
crafty.rc
wcrafty-19.15.exe
crafty.hlp
game.001
Can anybody tell me why Crafty sometimes plays
(in a comp/comp-match) after 1.e4 the ugly 1...d5?
just to be out of book after 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3
I thought that Crafty would not play that way.
And a last question: does Crafty learn and if no
how can this be set in the crafty.rc?
Many thanks for your help.
Kurt
Hi Norm,Hi,Hi Kurt,
For the second time I post my excellent crafty.rc for you!
Note the parameter "book width 5" and you'll get your answer about the length of the opening line!
Crafty updates it's opening book after every game and also has a positional learning!
If you have any questions,feel free to ask
Regards,
Dr.Wael Deeb
computer
hash 96M
hashp 12M
cache 4M
drawscore=0
log off
ponder off
book on
book random 1
book width 5
learn 7
resign 5
tbpath=c:\Nalimov
egtb 16M
exit
I'm confused. Doesn't "cache 4M" set the egtb cache to 4M?
If that is the case, does "egtb 16M" override?
-Norm
Hi ChristianHello Kurt,
here is the text from the CRAFTY-DOC for learning
27. learn n controls the learning facilities in crafty.
Currently this is a 3-bit boolean switch, bit 1 (001) con-
trols book learning, bit 2 (010) controls position learning,
and bit 3 (100) controls result learning. learn=0 disables
all learning, learn=1 enables book learning only, learn=2
enables position learning only, and learn=4 enables result
learning. Add the values together to turn on more than one
type of learning (default=7 to enable everything).
ALL LEARNING iS EMABLED BY DEFAULT!!
Which books do you use for Crafty?
best regards,
Christian
Not true. When you issue the COMPUTER command one of the things Crafty does is narrow the book selection. But in your .rc file you widen it back out. What happens is the first game will have the narrow selection, after the game is over and the new command is issued it will use the wider selection from the .rc file (note this will not happen under Winboard as Winboard issues the computer command at the begining of each game, thus over ridding what is in the .rc file). Note below that the 1st time d5 is marked as questionable but the 2nd time it is not......books.bin and bookc.bin in Crafty's directory?
If you don't have them then almost all your problems are revealed
Regards,
Dr.Wael Deeb
My book.bin has 13'160'508 Bytes and the bookc.bin 131'516 BytesI do not know where you got the book.bin or bookc.bin, but using the ones from Hyatt's site it will not play ..d5 as it is marked as questionable (d5?). With the configuration you have it will only consider e5 or c5 using the deafult books from Hyatt's site.
White(1): e4
time used: 16.22
after screening, the following moves can be played
move played % score learn CAP sortv P% P
e5! 186240 26 0.14 0.00 -655.36 12974.8 100 Y
c5! 284838 39 0.43 0.00 -655.36 13031.0 30 Y
e6 97490 13 0.18 0.00 -655.36 4623.3 0 Y
d6 29234 4 0.18 0.00 -655.36 4383.6 0 Y
c6 48189 6 0.46 0.00 -655.36 4170.2 0 Y
d5? 15867 2 0.15 0.00 -655.36 366.7 0 N
Nf6? 20531 2 0.17 0.00 -655.36 363.1 0 N
Nc6? 5886 0 0.17 0.00 -655.36 311.7 0 N
Nh6? 44 0 0.27 0.00 -655.36 191.2 0 N
Na6? 21 0 0.27 0.00 -655.36 191.1 0 N
g6? 21320 2 0.45 0.00 -655.36 85.8 0 N
b5? 62 0 0.39 0.00 -655.36 71.2 0 N
g5? 174 0 0.42 0.00 -655.36 41.6 0 N
f5? 76 0 0.43 0.00 -655.36 31.3 0 N
a5? 56 0 0.43 0.00 -655.36 31.2 0 N
h5? 33 0 0.43 0.00 -655.36 31.1 0 N
b6? 1455 0 0.45 0.00 -655.36 16.1 0 N
a6? 524 0 0.46 0.00 -655.36 2.8 0 N
h6? 61 0 0.46 0.00 -655.36 1.2 0 N
f6? 48 0 0.46 0.00 -655.36 1.2 0 N
book moves {e5, c5}
moves considered {e5, c5}
move played % score sortv P% P
e5! 186240 26 0.14 100000.0 100 Y
c5! 284838 39 0.43 30000.0 30 Y
book 0.0s 26% e5! Nf3
The book.bin is 5,348 KB about half the size of the one you have. I would d/l all books at Hyatt's site to make sure you are playing with the ones he does.My book.bin has 13'160'508 Bytes and the bookc.bin 131'516 BytesI do not know where you got the book.bin or bookc.bin, but using the ones from
and I think I have them donwloaded from Hyatt's site.
Kurt
The book.bin is 5,348 KB about half the size of the one you have. I would d/l all books at Hyatt's site to make sure you are playing with the ones he does.My book.bin has 13'160'508 Bytes and the bookc.bin 131'516 BytesI do not know where you got the book.bin or bookc.bin, but using the ones from
and I think I have them donwloaded from Hyatt's site.
Kurt
I remember I got exactly the same issue with Crafty books (the same size as you give above, 13mb etc). The best is to download them again from Hyatt's site.The book.bin is 5,348 KB about half the size of the one you have. I would d/l all books at Hyatt's site to make sure you are playing with the ones he does.My book.bin has 13'160'508 Bytes and the bookc.bin 131'516 BytesI do not know where you got the book.bin or bookc.bin, but using the ones from
and I think I have them donwloaded from Hyatt's site.
Kurt
Hi Brian
Oops ... I am no longer sure from where I got my big crafty books.
Anyway I have now downloaded the "correct" ones from Hyatt's site
and am going to replace them for our AT 2004 tourney. I very much
appreciate your help.
Kurt
Hi OlivierI remember I got exactly the same issue with Crafty books (the same size as you give above, 13mb etc). The best is to download them again from Hyatt's site.The book.bin is 5,348 KB about half the size of the one you have. I would d/l all books at Hyatt's site to make sure you are playing with the ones he does.My book.bin has 13'160'508 Bytes and the bookc.bin 131'516 BytesI do not know where you got the book.bin or bookc.bin, but using the ones from
and I think I have them donwloaded from Hyatt's site.
Kurt
Hi Brian
Oops ... I am no longer sure from where I got my big crafty books.
Anyway I have now downloaded the "correct" ones from Hyatt's site
and am going to replace them for our AT 2004 tourney. I very much
appreciate your help.
Kurt
Olivier
My book.bin has 13'160'508 Bytes and the bookc.bin 131'516 BytesI do not know where you got the book.bin or bookc.bin, but using the ones from Hyatt's site it will not play ..d5 as it is marked as questionable (d5?). With the configuration you have it will only consider e5 or c5 using the deafult books from Hyatt's site.
White(1): e4
time used: 16.22
after screening, the following moves can be played
move played % score learn CAP sortv P% P
e5! 186240 26 0.14 0.00 -655.36 12974.8 100 Y
c5! 284838 39 0.43 0.00 -655.36 13031.0 30 Y
e6 97490 13 0.18 0.00 -655.36 4623.3 0 Y
d6 29234 4 0.18 0.00 -655.36 4383.6 0 Y
c6 48189 6 0.46 0.00 -655.36 4170.2 0 Y
d5? 15867 2 0.15 0.00 -655.36 366.7 0 N
Nf6? 20531 2 0.17 0.00 -655.36 363.1 0 N
Nc6? 5886 0 0.17 0.00 -655.36 311.7 0 N
Nh6? 44 0 0.27 0.00 -655.36 191.2 0 N
Na6? 21 0 0.27 0.00 -655.36 191.1 0 N
g6? 21320 2 0.45 0.00 -655.36 85.8 0 N
b5? 62 0 0.39 0.00 -655.36 71.2 0 N
g5? 174 0 0.42 0.00 -655.36 41.6 0 N
f5? 76 0 0.43 0.00 -655.36 31.3 0 N
a5? 56 0 0.43 0.00 -655.36 31.2 0 N
h5? 33 0 0.43 0.00 -655.36 31.1 0 N
b6? 1455 0 0.45 0.00 -655.36 16.1 0 N
a6? 524 0 0.46 0.00 -655.36 2.8 0 N
h6? 61 0 0.46 0.00 -655.36 1.2 0 N
f6? 48 0 0.46 0.00 -655.36 1.2 0 N
book moves {e5, c5}
moves considered {e5, c5}
move played % score sortv P% P
e5! 186240 26 0.14 100000.0 100 Y
c5! 284838 39 0.43 30000.0 30 Y
book 0.0s 26% e5! Nf3
and I think I have them donwloaded from Hyatt's site.
Kurt
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